Hatred of greed. Share the wealth so we all prosper.
Lightcronno on
I feel like this is just the growing awareness of the class war that’s been brewing. AI is just a much more visible target and obvious risk to our current society and status quo
Razzburry_Pie on
Article about the growing backlash against AI. That’s no surprise to /r/Futurology readers as that backlash is expressed here nearly daily. The future of AI does appear to be nearing an inflection point, at least here in the United States — if there’s little public support for data centers and expansion is limited by power grid capacity then the continuing growth of LLM’s will hit a ceiling, soon.
AI will not go away though. Physical limitations on data center capacity and power consumption will incentivize more efficient algorithms, smaller models that are industry- and topic-oriented, and perhaps a shift to larger NPUs on PCs to distribute some of the load to end users.
ILiveInAColdCave on
Good because this shit sucks. Theft of intellectual property and the most exploitative version of capitalism possible. Pure pilfering. Get it out of here.
seriousbangs on
They’re talking about 60% unemployment. Openly.
Meanwhile AI is going to take half the country’s electricity.
And data centers are a nightmare.
So yeah, hate.
But we gave all the power to the billionaires, so there’s fuck all we can do.
sobeitharry on
It’sgoing to put people out of jobs.
I’ve been able to take on multiple new projects this year because now I’m not waiting on developers to create the tools i need or analysts to go and work on gathering info. It does NOT replace senior level work but it enables lots of productivity that would normally be bottle necked at the „we need someone to do this but we’d have to hire someone so let’s back burner it“ stage.
The key is being the person coming up with the ideas and projects that you couldn’t have gotten done otherwise. You have to treat it like having a whole team of junior level people that you didn’t before, or get left behind.
isitatomic on
Technofascists are evil as fuck, and a lot of this hate is pretty warranted.
But I can’t help but feel like there’s something SUPER classist about this wave of pushback.
It’s like large swathes of „knowledge economy“ workers felt somehow immune to the pressures that only happen to „them“ — „them“ being cashiers, taxi drivers, autoworkers, etc.
Those same people all up in arms were more than happy to look the other way when the leopards were eating blue-collar faces.
Vulnox on
It’s too bad in a sense. I’m not heavily into AI, I use it a few times a week if that, but I use it mainly to do things like get a comparison of products or to give some ideas for a vacation.
It does a great job, typically, getting around digging through a dozen sites and ads and all that. I feel like it’s a strong evolution of the fairly stagnant search engine.
It can do more than that, some of it overall impressive. But it’s never been consistent or reliable when I push it harder and I end up just getting frustrated explaining to it the problem in hopes it corrects the output.
So when I get pushed at work to use it more, how there’s some new AI workflow we should use and it totally won’t hallucinate because our workflow template is so good and limits hallucinations and blah blah.
At what point is me learning this workflow and hoping it actually does a good job since I have to put my name on the output more costly than continuing to do my job and knowing that if I screw up I can at least explain where it went wrong. I dunno, I like what AI can be, I don’t like what these execs try and force it to be.
CanSnakeBlade on
I’d say it’s less of a hate wave and more of a knowledge wave. The more modern AI is understood the more you realize how rediculous, wasteful and stifling it is in nearly all our current uses for it. As people begin to wake up to AI beyond the grifter sales pitches we’ll likely see more people openly turn against it’s current uses.
tads73 on
Anything it creates lacks soul, lacks the imprint of human heart and creativity. Let big tech self sabotage.
SenorNZ on
It’s actually an opportunity to smash the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 and win a better life for the non wealthy.
Most socialists I interact with see it as disrupting the status quo in our favor.
OnlyPostSoUsersXray on
Isn’t a good chunk of the hate more geared toward massive data centers consuming resources and polluting the area in various ways to support AI, and not AI in-and-of itself?
Abedsbrother on
Data centers have a very real impact on the environments and communities near them, many aspects of which are negative. Not surprising there is a growing ‚backlash‘.
Starkville on
A very young person pointed this out to me: AI was supposed to do the boring drudge work and free up humans to do creative things like make art and music and literature.
And now the market is flooded with AI-generated art and music and literature.
niberungvalesti on
Billionaires are openly cheering millions of people unemployed and are shredding the social safety net. It doesn’t take an educated person to see this is a recipe for disaster.
The American government is preparing for mass incarceration and cruelty to cow the population into a new aristocracy.
Thrompinator on
The award is a thank-you for posting a direct link to a working paywall bypass instead of a worthless link to a paywalled article.
senturion on
The problem is less AI and more capitalism.
AI put to the genuine best use for all humanity would be a win. Of course that is not what those pushing AI on us want.
They don’t want AI to cure disease, deploy cheap green energy or make the 40 hour week obsolete.
They don’t want to bring dignity to all humans and give everyone enough money and resources to live without fear and free up time for creative and intellectual pursuits.
They want to create a slave class beholden to them for everything because AI has taken all the jobs and billionaires have taken all the resources and power.
Tolaly on
People are losing their jobs and can’t afford food, housing or leisure? Gee. We are firmly „upper lower middle class“ and I was saying to my husband today we cant keep groceries under 200 a week anymore, and it used to be 100-150. Like, these rich assholes are very shortsighted and are seriously underestimating what happens when the public meets their misery breaking point. Hello, industrial revolution?
Nixeris on
They claim to be trying to make something that will either destroy humanity or take over all jobs. This is their hype, but it shouldn’t be ignored that they’re the ones pushing that narrative. Meanwhile they’re pulling literal tons of resources from different communities to build new AI data centers, and putting several of them at risk for blackouts.
People being mean to them online isn’t hate.
People trying to prevent them from building new data centers isn’t hate.
People trying to control their rampant abuse of local resources isn’t hate.
Call me when people start burning down data centers en-mass. Then it will actually sound like people really hate AI.
cyberentomology on
People hating on that which they don’t understand is a tale as old as humanity itself.
C1rc1es on
Another case of weaponised incompetence. There are incredibly difficult and fundamental societal questions that this technology raises that we should be focused on exploring and answering. This is the most incredible piece of technology we’ve ever created and its capacity to move science, humanities and medicine forward in tangible ways should be a huge boon to quality of living everywhere. Instead we have a bunch of unimaginative and uninspired aristocrats doing what they do best, and the media fear mongering the general population.
The on repeat trope of the usual human boundaries we fail to resolve around greed, manipulation and hostility are so boring yet some are so determined to watch them play out in a new joyous arena (/s) instead of helping the common people out.
MisprintPrince on
Good. Accelerate and signalboost it.
Complicated comment extension.
cloud_t on
I can empathize A LITTLE with locals of a region or nation that feels threatened by a foreign workforce that takes their place for cheap, is willing to accept bad living conditions and being segregated by such locals (up to the point the locals start heing outright racist, and forget integration is key and is a local’s own duty).
…but I find it hard to empathize with AI algorithms for lease by companies led by some of the worst scum in humanity, who use their money and influence for undemocratic, elitist purposes.
The moment: 1. Those in control of AI are doing so for the best interest of society and 2. We actually find good ways to do so with AI – is when I start caring about liberalizing AI maybe a bit more and finding ways to meet halfway about its uses in things we may need to give up control. Until then, AI is a tool I will keep just next to my big bag of thick salt.
Marmar79 on
The rich I know are unusually horny about ai’s ability to end their relationship with the poors that make their lives so easy. It’s not the only weapon in the war on the poor but it’s definitely the most tangible.
justbunnies on
People hope AI will solve things, but the current image of it is a tool that allows lazy people to cheat and greedy corporations to lay off workers. All while polluting the environment.
Fheredin on
LLMs are a billion dollar idea, but not a *trillion* dollar one. They have a boat load of limits.
A lot of the investment and hype is built around the assumption that we are going to hit singularity or AGI very soon. This was always a dubious proposition because you aren’t betting on one bit of R&D: you’re betting on four consecutive right calls.
* That you can make an AGI.
* That the AGI will make a suggestion which you are actually willing to listen to.
* That the AGI’s suggestion is able to bail you out of your own stupidity.
* That the AGI’s suggestion will work on a faster time horizon than the consequences of all this AI building debt.
When you put things like this, betting on AGI is *obviously* stupid.
RadeDobison on
I fear this article comes off as out of touch, as I’ve been perceiving a hate wave for years now.
Netmantis on
I don’t need a hyper-accurate navigation system for my yacht. The general public does not need hyper-accurate navigation systems for their yachts.
The AI boom is raising prices on electricity, computer components, even computing devices ranging from desktops and laptops to cell phones and tablets. Even cars are getting more expensive as parts used by AI become scarce. AI lives in and must be interacted with by computing devices. If those same devices are priced out of the hands of the general populace, especially as planned obsolescence and active measures by companies make sure you cannot use older tech, who is going to be sold the AI? Grandma could send an email on the internet to her grandkids, mom and dad could go shopping and Billy and Susy could play video games and chat with their friends. All on machines that were approaching affordable. Now we have a new paradigm shift and the machines used are becoming more expensive.
Then you have AI being used like i was in the early 2000s. AI operating system, AI web browser, AI search engine, AI companions, AI video editing, AI photo editing, AI social media, AI shopping, AI toilet paper. The general rule is „Shove AI in it, make it expensive and a subscription.“ Much like the vaunted „Add a woman, and make it lame and gay“ used to be. We pointed out the hyperbole but recognized the trend. Now with AI there is no hyperbole, if you have a product add AI, even if it doesn’t make sense, to boost investment.
This is why people boo AI and cheered the internet. The internet made our lives better. AI is actively making things worse. Stop passing on me and telling me it’s raining, else I start throwing knives and telling you it’s a hurricane.
DetroitsGoingToWin on
Job loss, power demand and environmental concerns aren’t being addressed.
We need government to step in and start mandating shorter working hours per person so more people are hired. We also need investment into clean energy sources.
wolfavino on
Is this really any different from the invention of the automobile, electricity, computers, etc? Most people always fear change but history shows productivity gains boost overall economic wellbeing. Yes. Some jobs will go away. But many others will be created.
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Hatred of greed. Share the wealth so we all prosper.
I feel like this is just the growing awareness of the class war that’s been brewing. AI is just a much more visible target and obvious risk to our current society and status quo
Article about the growing backlash against AI. That’s no surprise to /r/Futurology readers as that backlash is expressed here nearly daily. The future of AI does appear to be nearing an inflection point, at least here in the United States — if there’s little public support for data centers and expansion is limited by power grid capacity then the continuing growth of LLM’s will hit a ceiling, soon.
AI will not go away though. Physical limitations on data center capacity and power consumption will incentivize more efficient algorithms, smaller models that are industry- and topic-oriented, and perhaps a shift to larger NPUs on PCs to distribute some of the load to end users.
Good because this shit sucks. Theft of intellectual property and the most exploitative version of capitalism possible. Pure pilfering. Get it out of here.
They’re talking about 60% unemployment. Openly.
Meanwhile AI is going to take half the country’s electricity.
And data centers are a nightmare.
So yeah, hate.
But we gave all the power to the billionaires, so there’s fuck all we can do.
It’sgoing to put people out of jobs.
I’ve been able to take on multiple new projects this year because now I’m not waiting on developers to create the tools i need or analysts to go and work on gathering info. It does NOT replace senior level work but it enables lots of productivity that would normally be bottle necked at the „we need someone to do this but we’d have to hire someone so let’s back burner it“ stage.
The key is being the person coming up with the ideas and projects that you couldn’t have gotten done otherwise. You have to treat it like having a whole team of junior level people that you didn’t before, or get left behind.
Technofascists are evil as fuck, and a lot of this hate is pretty warranted.
But I can’t help but feel like there’s something SUPER classist about this wave of pushback.
It’s like large swathes of „knowledge economy“ workers felt somehow immune to the pressures that only happen to „them“ — „them“ being cashiers, taxi drivers, autoworkers, etc.
Those same people all up in arms were more than happy to look the other way when the leopards were eating blue-collar faces.
It’s too bad in a sense. I’m not heavily into AI, I use it a few times a week if that, but I use it mainly to do things like get a comparison of products or to give some ideas for a vacation.
It does a great job, typically, getting around digging through a dozen sites and ads and all that. I feel like it’s a strong evolution of the fairly stagnant search engine.
It can do more than that, some of it overall impressive. But it’s never been consistent or reliable when I push it harder and I end up just getting frustrated explaining to it the problem in hopes it corrects the output.
So when I get pushed at work to use it more, how there’s some new AI workflow we should use and it totally won’t hallucinate because our workflow template is so good and limits hallucinations and blah blah.
At what point is me learning this workflow and hoping it actually does a good job since I have to put my name on the output more costly than continuing to do my job and knowing that if I screw up I can at least explain where it went wrong. I dunno, I like what AI can be, I don’t like what these execs try and force it to be.
I’d say it’s less of a hate wave and more of a knowledge wave. The more modern AI is understood the more you realize how rediculous, wasteful and stifling it is in nearly all our current uses for it. As people begin to wake up to AI beyond the grifter sales pitches we’ll likely see more people openly turn against it’s current uses.
Anything it creates lacks soul, lacks the imprint of human heart and creativity. Let big tech self sabotage.
It’s actually an opportunity to smash the Monday to Friday 9 to 5 and win a better life for the non wealthy.
Most socialists I interact with see it as disrupting the status quo in our favor.
Isn’t a good chunk of the hate more geared toward massive data centers consuming resources and polluting the area in various ways to support AI, and not AI in-and-of itself?
Data centers have a very real impact on the environments and communities near them, many aspects of which are negative. Not surprising there is a growing ‚backlash‘.
A very young person pointed this out to me: AI was supposed to do the boring drudge work and free up humans to do creative things like make art and music and literature.
And now the market is flooded with AI-generated art and music and literature.
Billionaires are openly cheering millions of people unemployed and are shredding the social safety net. It doesn’t take an educated person to see this is a recipe for disaster.
The American government is preparing for mass incarceration and cruelty to cow the population into a new aristocracy.
The award is a thank-you for posting a direct link to a working paywall bypass instead of a worthless link to a paywalled article.
The problem is less AI and more capitalism.
AI put to the genuine best use for all humanity would be a win. Of course that is not what those pushing AI on us want.
They don’t want AI to cure disease, deploy cheap green energy or make the 40 hour week obsolete.
They don’t want to bring dignity to all humans and give everyone enough money and resources to live without fear and free up time for creative and intellectual pursuits.
They want to create a slave class beholden to them for everything because AI has taken all the jobs and billionaires have taken all the resources and power.
People are losing their jobs and can’t afford food, housing or leisure? Gee. We are firmly „upper lower middle class“ and I was saying to my husband today we cant keep groceries under 200 a week anymore, and it used to be 100-150. Like, these rich assholes are very shortsighted and are seriously underestimating what happens when the public meets their misery breaking point. Hello, industrial revolution?
They claim to be trying to make something that will either destroy humanity or take over all jobs. This is their hype, but it shouldn’t be ignored that they’re the ones pushing that narrative. Meanwhile they’re pulling literal tons of resources from different communities to build new AI data centers, and putting several of them at risk for blackouts.
People being mean to them online isn’t hate.
People trying to prevent them from building new data centers isn’t hate.
People trying to control their rampant abuse of local resources isn’t hate.
Call me when people start burning down data centers en-mass. Then it will actually sound like people really hate AI.
People hating on that which they don’t understand is a tale as old as humanity itself.
Another case of weaponised incompetence. There are incredibly difficult and fundamental societal questions that this technology raises that we should be focused on exploring and answering. This is the most incredible piece of technology we’ve ever created and its capacity to move science, humanities and medicine forward in tangible ways should be a huge boon to quality of living everywhere. Instead we have a bunch of unimaginative and uninspired aristocrats doing what they do best, and the media fear mongering the general population.
The on repeat trope of the usual human boundaries we fail to resolve around greed, manipulation and hostility are so boring yet some are so determined to watch them play out in a new joyous arena (/s) instead of helping the common people out.
Good. Accelerate and signalboost it.
Complicated comment extension.
I can empathize A LITTLE with locals of a region or nation that feels threatened by a foreign workforce that takes their place for cheap, is willing to accept bad living conditions and being segregated by such locals (up to the point the locals start heing outright racist, and forget integration is key and is a local’s own duty).
…but I find it hard to empathize with AI algorithms for lease by companies led by some of the worst scum in humanity, who use their money and influence for undemocratic, elitist purposes.
The moment: 1. Those in control of AI are doing so for the best interest of society and 2. We actually find good ways to do so with AI – is when I start caring about liberalizing AI maybe a bit more and finding ways to meet halfway about its uses in things we may need to give up control. Until then, AI is a tool I will keep just next to my big bag of thick salt.
The rich I know are unusually horny about ai’s ability to end their relationship with the poors that make their lives so easy. It’s not the only weapon in the war on the poor but it’s definitely the most tangible.
People hope AI will solve things, but the current image of it is a tool that allows lazy people to cheat and greedy corporations to lay off workers. All while polluting the environment.
LLMs are a billion dollar idea, but not a *trillion* dollar one. They have a boat load of limits.
A lot of the investment and hype is built around the assumption that we are going to hit singularity or AGI very soon. This was always a dubious proposition because you aren’t betting on one bit of R&D: you’re betting on four consecutive right calls.
* That you can make an AGI.
* That the AGI will make a suggestion which you are actually willing to listen to.
* That the AGI’s suggestion is able to bail you out of your own stupidity.
* That the AGI’s suggestion will work on a faster time horizon than the consequences of all this AI building debt.
When you put things like this, betting on AGI is *obviously* stupid.
I fear this article comes off as out of touch, as I’ve been perceiving a hate wave for years now.
I don’t need a hyper-accurate navigation system for my yacht. The general public does not need hyper-accurate navigation systems for their yachts.
The AI boom is raising prices on electricity, computer components, even computing devices ranging from desktops and laptops to cell phones and tablets. Even cars are getting more expensive as parts used by AI become scarce. AI lives in and must be interacted with by computing devices. If those same devices are priced out of the hands of the general populace, especially as planned obsolescence and active measures by companies make sure you cannot use older tech, who is going to be sold the AI? Grandma could send an email on the internet to her grandkids, mom and dad could go shopping and Billy and Susy could play video games and chat with their friends. All on machines that were approaching affordable. Now we have a new paradigm shift and the machines used are becoming more expensive.
Then you have AI being used like i was in the early 2000s. AI operating system, AI web browser, AI search engine, AI companions, AI video editing, AI photo editing, AI social media, AI shopping, AI toilet paper. The general rule is „Shove AI in it, make it expensive and a subscription.“ Much like the vaunted „Add a woman, and make it lame and gay“ used to be. We pointed out the hyperbole but recognized the trend. Now with AI there is no hyperbole, if you have a product add AI, even if it doesn’t make sense, to boost investment.
This is why people boo AI and cheered the internet. The internet made our lives better. AI is actively making things worse. Stop passing on me and telling me it’s raining, else I start throwing knives and telling you it’s a hurricane.
Job loss, power demand and environmental concerns aren’t being addressed.
We need government to step in and start mandating shorter working hours per person so more people are hired. We also need investment into clean energy sources.
Is this really any different from the invention of the automobile, electricity, computers, etc? Most people always fear change but history shows productivity gains boost overall economic wellbeing. Yes. Some jobs will go away. But many others will be created.