It’s ironic that his theory is itself a story about how the mind invents stories. A story about minds telling stories. If we are unreliable narrators of our own mental lives, then Chater’s own narrative about mind is also suspicious.
We construct explanations after the fact? His own account is just an explanation of that exact same impulse. Its a plausible account of how we manufacture plausible accounts.
Full-Contract6143 on
But, technically… everything is an illusion created by the brain…
yoronu on
Another side product of predictive processing!
LastBaron on
If you identify predictable, reliable patterns in your thoughts that you were unaware of prior to the introspection, how is that not true introspection?
The entire thesis seems to rest on the assumption that all instances of attempted introspection focus on understanding or explaining individual thoughts or beliefs in total isolation.
I’m not arguing against the brain’s profound ability to make up “just-so” stories about both itself and things outside itself. Happens all the time, humans are superb confabulators and self story tellers. Look up experiments on neural commissurotomy patients (medically severed corpus callosum) for some bonkers examples of our brains as storytellers and confabulators. These are exactly the sorts of things the author is talking about, and they are fascinating.
But that hardly means that it’s the SOLE way the brain interacts with the world.
If introspection were always an illusion it would be impossible for a person to say “you know what, I realized that almost every single time I had an angry outburst I had been absolute shit about drinking water all that day. I realized being dehydrated made me irritable as hell, I was more prone to all kinds of negative emotion, cognitive biases, and other-blaming when I was irritable from dehydration. I got on a better schedule for drinking water and my emotions have been way easier to regulate.”
Either that person entirely made up the correlation between water and mood (an easily disprovable claim if so) or they experienced what any reasonable person would recognize as genuine introspection.
Dreamtrain on
is this good or bad news for the peeps who maxed out of all types of intelligence are mostly proficient with introspection?
Random_182f2565 on
>Introspection is an illusion created by the brain
„Nothing is truly real but atoms and void“
gottapeenow2 on
It’s a very special kind of game, Dolores. The goal is to find the center of it. If you can do that, then maybe you can be free.
TheColdOfSpace on
I didn’t read past the paywall but… if your brain just makes up why it did something after the fact, what actually were the reasons it did anything in the first place?
phenomenomnom on
So is everything else.
Chocolaterationcalls on
My favorite thought about the brain is everything we see is actually just two 2d screens that are meshed together, and it only catches a tiny portion of em radiation. And everything we experience such as sight and sound is happened a fraction of a second in the past because information has to be sent and processed through chemical reactions.
Ttoctam on
Honestly this gives me the same reaction as people who preach philosophical determinism.
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It’s ironic that his theory is itself a story about how the mind invents stories. A story about minds telling stories. If we are unreliable narrators of our own mental lives, then Chater’s own narrative about mind is also suspicious.
We construct explanations after the fact? His own account is just an explanation of that exact same impulse. Its a plausible account of how we manufacture plausible accounts.
But, technically… everything is an illusion created by the brain…
Another side product of predictive processing!
If you identify predictable, reliable patterns in your thoughts that you were unaware of prior to the introspection, how is that not true introspection?
The entire thesis seems to rest on the assumption that all instances of attempted introspection focus on understanding or explaining individual thoughts or beliefs in total isolation.
I’m not arguing against the brain’s profound ability to make up “just-so” stories about both itself and things outside itself. Happens all the time, humans are superb confabulators and self story tellers. Look up experiments on neural commissurotomy patients (medically severed corpus callosum) for some bonkers examples of our brains as storytellers and confabulators. These are exactly the sorts of things the author is talking about, and they are fascinating.
But that hardly means that it’s the SOLE way the brain interacts with the world.
If introspection were always an illusion it would be impossible for a person to say “you know what, I realized that almost every single time I had an angry outburst I had been absolute shit about drinking water all that day. I realized being dehydrated made me irritable as hell, I was more prone to all kinds of negative emotion, cognitive biases, and other-blaming when I was irritable from dehydration. I got on a better schedule for drinking water and my emotions have been way easier to regulate.”
Either that person entirely made up the correlation between water and mood (an easily disprovable claim if so) or they experienced what any reasonable person would recognize as genuine introspection.
is this good or bad news for the peeps who maxed out of all types of intelligence are mostly proficient with introspection?
>Introspection is an illusion created by the brain
„Nothing is truly real but atoms and void“
It’s a very special kind of game, Dolores. The goal is to find the center of it. If you can do that, then maybe you can be free.
I didn’t read past the paywall but… if your brain just makes up why it did something after the fact, what actually were the reasons it did anything in the first place?
So is everything else.
My favorite thought about the brain is everything we see is actually just two 2d screens that are meshed together, and it only catches a tiny portion of em radiation. And everything we experience such as sight and sound is happened a fraction of a second in the past because information has to be sent and processed through chemical reactions.
Honestly this gives me the same reaction as people who preach philosophical determinism.