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    Princeton streicht den Ehrenkodex und wird dank KI zum ersten Mal seit 133 Jahren Prüfungen beaufsichtigen

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    4. KCkc3 on

      I feel like some version of this will have to happen nation wide for schools to maintain their accreditation. How can a degree be held as a measure of scholastic value if not? Why would recruiters come to any college if they can’t be sure the students have the skills they claim without monthly installment tools. 

    6. accountforfurrystuf on

      Was Princeton just not watching anyone take exams? This seems very basic for an in-person test

      Edit: Read the article and wow, it’s literally that. No clickbait. No professor proctors required.

    7. existing_for_fun on

      Every college should do this.

      And in general, schools should go back to hand written essays and homework.

    9. CumFilledDonutYumYum on

      I went to college in the mid to late 2010s and students would just leave the room to „use the bathroom“ during exams and would just look up answers on their phone in the hallway before returning. I couldn’t believe how blatant people were about cheating and the professors didn’t give a shit

    10. SwiftCase on

      Having just an honor code sounds like a great way to boost graduation numbers to entice donors.

    11. aravarth on

      My finals for Precalc Trig, Calc I, and Calc II were all proctored.

      It was *super obvious* writing the exams who had used or depended on LLMs to do their homework / online quizzes and who had mastered the materials.

      I went in with my approved notes sheet, scratch paper, and pens, and manually completed all of the questions on paper with a verifiable process trail.

      Some of my classmates just stared blankly at the exam prompt, some started crying, and *many* dipped out of the exam lab in under fifteen minutes.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if many unis started transitioning back to pen-and-paper finals at an increasing rate when showcasing mastery of discrete skills is the course objective.

      It may be a lot more difficult when courses are more project-focused — but then, when I first went through uni in the late 90s, everything was done in Blue Book exam booklets anyway.

    12. edu_acct on

      I thought I read something that the students self policed? If I caught someone cheating I would snitch, as it makes my degree worth less if there is a culture of cheating.

    13. coutjak on

      So this is where all the people losing jobs to AI can find employment – proctoring exams to prevent the use of AI. (Insert smart thinking meme)

    14. ithkuil on

      Is it really because of AI or is it because of cheating? AI just makes it easier.

      But AI can also help with tutoring.

      Technology is a lever. It’s not the cause of bad human behavior. It’s like saying that sharper knives cause stabbings.

    16. McChillbone on

      I take courses online through Penn State’s World Campus. The STEM exams are all proctored online using Honorlock. I can’t have anyone in the room and sometimes I have to scan my desk with my webcam and turn off my device on camera.

      Surprising that Princeton was just using the honor system for the last 133 years.

    17. Zvenigora on

      Part of the problem is trying to conduct examinations on electronic devices that are not well suited to the purpose: there are just too many devious ways to cheat and the holes are impossible to plug. The old-fashioned blue books were not foolproof, but they were better than this.

    18. vt2022cam on

      Harvard always used proctors and if students get caught cheating, they sometimes fire the proctors.

    20. Five-Oh-Vicryl on

      In medicine we take proctored computer and oral exams for our board certifications. If you’re unable to do either, maybe higher education isn’t for you.

    22. Historical_Cod_4762 on

      The point these school are trying to make I think is that the students are there to learn, not just to pass a test. So they trust the students to proctor themselves and hold each other accountable.

      Supposedly getting into these schools is filter enough to claim the students don’t need proctoring. That’s the flex.

      I always thought of it like undergrad vs graduate school.

      For the most part undergrads worry more about passing, then forget content. But a lot of the content isn’t directly applicable to your potential career.

      Graduate students have decided continue past basic content and work towards what they hopefully see as a meaningful, career oriented education. They all want to pass obviously, but the grade isn’t as important as actually learning the material.

      The problem with this analogy is that Ivy League undergrad is still very much a major stepping stone towards w.e your gonna do after. And I’m sure a lot of these students are still gonna care more about looking educated vs as actually being educated.

    24. Humble-Program9095 on

      can someone explain me what exactly changed with AI?
      i understand that the honor system policies were there with internet, smartphones etc. how does AI enables cheating the way that smartphones with internet did not?

    25. TheBlackItalian on

      As someone who has taken exams at Princeton, I always thought the honor code was so weird. Before you start the exam you have to write this paragraph on the first page of the blue book stating that your work is your own, etc. Like who ever thought that that would be a real deterrent from cheating? I envision a student devising a clever plot to cheat and then when they have to write the honor code it acts as a magic force field that erases the memory of their cheating plot like Men in Black.

    26. Kaptain_Obviou5 on

      Good. Students at schools with honor codes like this can abuse the lack of a proctor to get away with cheating

    27. washed_delta_nu on

      Hearing people in masters programs using AI, I can honestly say „you really can’t trust anyone! „

    28. King_Allant on

      How are people saying that this is normal? No, most real universities are not struggling with the concept of supervised exams. Princeton allowed cheating because their degrees are a status symbol for rich people.

    31. GrossUsername68 on

      “Because students keep cheating”

      It’s not AI. It’s just easier for students to not have honor.

    32. NameLips on

      (shakes cane) back in my day we did our essay exams in class, in bluebooks, by HAND! And we were penalized if our handwriting was illegible.

    33. FatherDotComical on

      I’ll take testing labs over that abhorrent Webcam monitoring where you have to show your ID and rotate the camera around the room. Felt so violating.

      Just gimme a scantron.

      I’m not Ivy League, lol, but college in general.

    34. danjr704 on

      why don’t they just go back to doing everything by scantron and in person?

    36. davewashere on

      I never had an exam that wasn’t proctored in college, and this was back before AI or even smartphones. If we wanted to cheat, it had to be the old fashioned way by writing things we though might be on the test on our arms or the inside of our soda bottle labels. If kids were taking tests without a proctor and with access to devices that can give AI responses then yes, I can imagine cheating would be a problem.

    38. sappho_of_lesbos on

      Paper and pencils, baby. And no venture capital „adding value“ with systems nobody wants or needs that can get hacked.

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