Kanadische Jugend ein „Rundungsfehler“ im Vergleich zu den von der Regierung Carney prognostizierten OAS-Ausgaben für Senioren in Höhe von 88,8 Milliarden US-Dollar

OAS needs to be stripped down or clawed back for high income Canadians.  

Maybe set the threshold based on the average income in the country and start aggressively decreasing it the more you earn.  

There is no way someone working today should be paying a higher earning senior a subsidy.  

Usual reminder :

OAS is paid out of general revenue. It has zero investments backing it, it’s not CPP.

So we hit a population bomb here through the end of the decade and its costs go to the moon.

OAS does need a serious review but that will never happen, by any government. That group shows up in droves to the election polls and even attempting to curtail OAS will drive them to a different party.

Quite frankly it’s absurd, yes some seniors may need it but not every senior does. Those who have more then one home sure as shit don’t need it such as those who have a home in Canada and one in the US for the winter months.

Those who have homes with no mortgage that are now worth $800/$900K or more don’t need it. My grandmother bought her house for $13K and it’s now probably worth over $500K.

The amount we give to seniors is ridiculous and why? Isn’t the “advice” that they always tell the younger generation is that you need to be better with your money and stop being so frivolous and save more? You’re the generation that worked when pensions were actually offered by companies FFS, when hard work and loyalty actually had a reward.

OAS is one of those things where it is transparently obvious that it should be slashed, but it won’t because it’s politically unpopular. It’s a clear example of how a democracy can fail, because people vote in self interest and not for the benefit of the country. Seniors vote, they want a never-ending increase in welfare, so OAS doesn’t get cut.

It’s AN ABSURD level. 93k to start clawback and 150k for full clawback PER PERSON, with couples getting twice that. This is debt-funded government welfare on the backs of future generations that should be getting invested in, not bled dry.

You know it, I know it, Carney knows it, even a lot of the seniors know it, but no government will cut it back. Harper was right to move it to 67, but he would have been even more right if he set the clawback threshold to the same level as the CCB clawback threshold – 37k to begin clawback and 80k to complete clawback.

But do the right thing – and this would be without question the right thing – and you’d get a grey riot at the polls for whoever promises to continue bleeding young people dry for extremely generous elderly payout programs.

Family member of mine is a former liberal staffer. He told me years ago that OAS is the political elephant in the room that neither party wants to address but everyone knows something needs to be done.

Love how they’re attributing it to the Carney government when it’s been growing because the amount of people eligible for it is growing. Harper didn’t address it, Trudeau didn’t either. Nobody wants to touch it because it pisses off that whole voting bloc. We kicked the can down the road and now it’s almost a quarter of federal expenditures. Edit: Harper did increase the age from 65 to 67 which Trudeau reversed. But two years doesn’t really make a difference when half the people receiving it shouldn’t.

My grandparents would both kill me for saying this, but they shouldn’t get it. Their net worth is like $3 mil halfway through retirement. Their house has been paid off for decades. They travel multiple times a year. But they still get OAS.

Jean Chretien and Paul Martin both tried to reform OAS/GIS. They wanted to implement more stringent income-testing and make it based on household income and not individual income.

The two most vocal groups against their plan – senior groups and financial firms. It was eventually dropped.

Over 95% of seniors collect OAS. The richest generation by a mile, still being supported by social payments.

Perhaps before getting social security… one living in a $2M paid off house they paid $30k for… should sell it and live off of that money?

We give $89 Billion to seniors every year… and charge fees for student loans.

To illustrate how ridiculous the current clawbacks level are – a senior couple making $275,000 between them will collect over $4,600/year in OAS payments. Payments meant to help lift seniors out of poverty. Does this seem reasonable?

We’re robbing the younger generation to feed the old. This is a house of cards that will eventually come down, and falls squarely on the young again.

The OAS and CPP will need massive overhaul to stay sustainable, perhaps move entirely from defined benefits to defined contribution.

Hence the reason the Tories are tied and leading in every single age demographic except boomers, where the Liberals hold a massive lead. It’s what they voted for, and Carney is delivering.

You have to be an insane person to be under 45 and vote for these guys.

Wow, young people have been absolutely wrecked in the past 10-12 years!

Now consider the ~55 billion we spend on indigenous services year over year. 12% of every tax dollar.

I wonder why the old people vote for him so much, it’s truly a mystery.

Start clawing back at $60K and 100% clawback @ 75K. Maybe allow some degree of survivor benefit for widow/widower within that bracket who have lost a spouse.

Boomers – the take everything and pull the ladder up behind them generation.

OAS is obscene. It gets payed out to people making more than the average wage *while they are retired.* That’s right, they make more than you do while they sit at home, and they still get *more money* on top of that*.*

Where is the Young Age Security? Where’s the $700 a month for the working man making $18 an hour trying to feed his kids? Where’s the money so that people can actually get housing?

You shouldn’t get OAS if you’re retired with an above average income. It is such a slap in the face to people that are working hard and struggling to survive.

Easy to complain about the size of boomers voting bloc, but the biggest difference is they actually go out and vote… in Ontario more then half of eligible voters, don’t even bother.

Wealthy seniors shouldn’t be receiving it. They dont need it.