But the GOP are allowed to gerrymander without even so much as a vote
Romantic_Piscean on
The judiciary is not going to prevent our descent into authoritarianism, at any level. As always, it’s going to be up to the people, in some manner. This is just another reminder.
RadiantBeeees on
Ignore the court. Do it anyways.
7figureipo on
Fuck the court’s ruling. Let them enforce it.
kebabwithnolettuce on
Fuck the court. Redraw that shit now. I want to see 11-0.
GarrettFischer1 on
Confusing how a number of republican states can gerrymander at the snap of the finger while Virginia can’t change their maps with a statewide election.
John_Rustle98 on
Not surprised in the least. This country has always given carte blanche to republicans and allowed them to do whatever they want while Democrats are expected to toe the line of the law. This country is such a shithole.
AwareMinimum3364 on
So republicans cn redistrict unilaterally, but blue states can’t even when their voters say they want to? Sounds about par for the course.
AdUpstairs7106 on
The Virginia Supreme Court just handed the GOP the mid terms.
angryhype on
Seriously, fuck this. Do it anyway dems! What’s the court going to do about it?
RandomShinyScorbunny on
Why?? The people voted on it!! They let people vote while the case was going!!
Can they appeal the decision? What’s next?
hcwhitewolf on
Overriding the will of the people *of the entire state* isn’t really a good idea, and these justices failed to consider that.
Raspberries-Are-Evil on
So they should just do it again without the vote like they are doing it in Red states. This time make is 11-0 blue districts. Take the fucking gloves off. It sucks but we have to fight back (figuratively) and do what they are doing in Louisiana and Florida. Do it in VA, Illinois, NJ, New York, etc.
NeoThorrus on
This is what happens when you fight fire with flowers like dems have been doing for years.
CouleursCPA on
Good thing FL showed that you can just ignore what the state constitution says and do it anyway
ServiceCultural3271 on
Failed government
Jokerang on
Either ignore it or start drafting a bill to pack the VA Supreme Court with new Spanberger nominees – you’re gonna need to do it with SCOTUS anyways, might as well start practicing on the state level.
No_Secretary6275 on
Wow what a gut punch.
Jamizon1 on
IMHO-
So, the republicans can redistrict, but the democrats cannot.
Seems fair to me /s
EmergencyJacket207 on
Ignore the court and do it anyways. Republicans in Ohio and NC have been doing it for years with zero consequences.
DawgPound919 on
Republicans have destroyed this country. They have lied, stolen and cheated their way to the top of the swamp.
Specialist_Sherbet36 on
This pisses me off. How are Republicans able to get away with illegal redistricting maneuvers, while Dems are held to impossible standards when trying to fight fire with fire?
Darkness17 on
I feel like I’m losing my mind. How does this get struck down, but other states redraw without a vote
Useful_Fee_2875 on
Absolutely insane. Voters passed this act and it gets struck down. Meanwhile Florida passes through the same thing in violation of the state constitution as well, and it passes, no problem. No vote needed.
Make it make sense.
mr_evilweed on
This is *completely natural* to conservatives. Why *should* the same things be allowed to liberals as to conservatives? They have ZERO expectation that all sides should play by the same rules – in fact they consider forcing all sides to play by the same rules to be *wrong*.
runningsimon on
They should just ignore the supreme Court. Republicans are ignoring the constitution and the courts, why should Democrats follow now?
Plzlaw4me on
This is clearly a sign of a healthy democracy that a bunch of state representatives can snap their fingers and the GOP gets a map they want, but when democrats want to respond in kind (to cancel the effects of the GOP’s new map), they have to put it to a vote, and even after there is a vote that shows the people want democrats map, it gets overturned on procedural grounds. I get that different states have different rules, but the GOP clearly has a rule advantage when it wants to fuck with the system.
I hope it gets appealed to SCOTUS just so that they can look the American people in the eye and claim that people cannot decide their districts through a democratic process, but a bunch of representatives in already gerrymandered states can.
Sidwill on
Cant the VA legislature now just pass the new map and have the governor sign off on it? This precedent has been set by Texas, Fl., Louisiana etc…
DeviantTaco on
Redraw it, implement it, delay changes until the elections are near and then say it would be unreasonable to try to change things now. I don’t know why democrats have these problems wielding power, people have been doing what they wanted for millennia but democrats treat pieces of paper like forces of the universe.
Now I’m sure people will claim it’s illegal, but that’s just your interpretation. Until you’re actually in jail, legality is up for debate, and even once there, you have options!
There will no doubt be negative repercussions of these choices but the immediate harm of not acting is allowing the GOP to rule forever. I’d rather break the rules to make a better future than not break the rules, lose the rules, and make a worse future.
GestureArtist on
So the Republicans can do it but it’s illegal for Democrats. That means the entire American system has failed.
Here’s my advice Democrats in Virginia. Do it anyway. Fuck the Supreme court. You’re in power. DO IT. Virginians voted for this. The Supreme Court is irrelevant.
The war will not be won by following your enemy’s rules.
GenBullet on
Well for the Virginia State constitution all that is needed is a simple majority in both houses for an amendment. And democrats have that majority.
Time to ram something through otherwise the only winner will ever be the side willing to break the rules.
qdobe on
Use them anyways. It’s what Republicans do.
The SC has no enforcement mechanism, as the Republicans have exploited
Edit: The Corrupted Courts have only one litmus test these days: Is it Republicans filing or is it Democrats? There is no other hurdle. This SAME court already ruled that the ballot initiative could proceed on the ballot, and now that it passed, they are saying that doing so was unconstitutional. They can’t even maintain a consistent argument in the haze of their abject corruption.
Completely illegitimate courts overruling the will of the people time and time again.
Im_TroyMcClure on
Republicans have fucked over absolutely everyone that isn’t a billionaire at this point. No matter what they do the midterms will be a bloodbath.
TheBlueBlaze on
What makes this extra infuriating is that what they took issue with wasn’t the new map, but the process with which that they put it to a referendum. Republicans were able to effectively argue that expediting the process to get the people to vote on redistricting was what made it unconstitutional.
With this decision, legislators using their majority to force redistricting without the public’s say was just deemed more legal than actually getting the people who put them in power to vote on it themselves.
shadowdra126 on
Wait. Wasn’t this voted on by the people?
That’s fucked. The dems should just do it and when they are told no point at the Supreme Court
IntelligentScholar32 on
Spanberger could and should enforce the map anyway. Ohio did it so if the Supreme Court strike down VA at a federal level they’ll have to strike down Ohio too
suckstomyassmar on
This will be one of the bullet points in the list of what drove the country to active rebellion.
Desertwind16v on
So if the courts can deny the will of the people, what’s stopping the people from ignoring the courts? Leave the results the same and just ignore their biased ruling.
Professional-Job7799 on
Literally yesterday TN passed the bills to re-district the state. They repealed the timeline restriction, repealed the law requiring notification of voters subject to redistricting, and passed a map that completely disenfranchised the population of Memphis, while active protests were occurring due to the overwhelming popular resistance to this action.
Not only did the new map split the democratic blocs in Memphis, it certainly appears that it was designed specifically to split the black vote. Of democrats, the cluster in which 70% of the democrats were white was moved as a single unit to a new district. The black democratic voters were split almost perfectly down the middle into two separate districts, giving black voters even less of a voice.
TN passed these bills, and the governer signed them, in a 3-day special session after voting has already been occurring for the primaries and candidates have already begun campaiging for the districts that were removed. This is illegal, but they repealed those laws as well.
Democrats cannot afford to play by rules that bind only them.
Edit: It’s worth noting that in floor testimony Virginia doing redistricting was specifically used as a justification for doing it in TN.
CJ4ROCKET on
>“Democrats just learned that when you try to rig elections, you lose,“ Republican National Committee Chair Joe Gruters said in a statement.
Emphasis on „you.“
NoxiousBunny35 on
I feel that the Democrats really need to push the messaging here.
„You voted Yes. The judges said No.“
„Don’t let radical conservate judges legislate from the bench.“
OverlyOptimisticNerd on
Now the Democrats need to play by the same rules as the GOP and gerrymander anyway.
If they are going to instead subjugate themselves to the GOP’s self-serving ruling, they will lose.
BestReadAtWork on
The correct response is „We’re going to do the same thing all the red states do when it comes to judicial rulings. Go get fukt. We’re still doing it. The ACTUAL PEOPLE have spoken.“
TravelingPhilosobear on
Do it anyways like Ohio. No one will stop them
shoot2scre on
Use them anyways
4RCH43ON on
The courts are the problem. This country is cooked.
dcormier on
Such spectacular bullshit.
NotThatAngel on
„The Friday decision says the amendment process pushed by Democrats violated the state constitution, effectively blocking the effort to redraw congressional maps mid-decade.“
So Virginia will sacrifice the U.S. Constitution, as well as its own State Constitution, as Republicans advance their evil agenda to overthrow the government entirely.
It’s likely that if they appeal it to the Supreme Court, we’ll get a ruling favoring ‚unconstitutional dictatorship‘ as well.
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But the GOP are allowed to gerrymander without even so much as a vote
The judiciary is not going to prevent our descent into authoritarianism, at any level. As always, it’s going to be up to the people, in some manner. This is just another reminder.
Ignore the court. Do it anyways.
Fuck the court’s ruling. Let them enforce it.
Fuck the court. Redraw that shit now. I want to see 11-0.
Confusing how a number of republican states can gerrymander at the snap of the finger while Virginia can’t change their maps with a statewide election.
Not surprised in the least. This country has always given carte blanche to republicans and allowed them to do whatever they want while Democrats are expected to toe the line of the law. This country is such a shithole.
So republicans cn redistrict unilaterally, but blue states can’t even when their voters say they want to? Sounds about par for the course.
The Virginia Supreme Court just handed the GOP the mid terms.
Seriously, fuck this. Do it anyway dems! What’s the court going to do about it?
Why?? The people voted on it!! They let people vote while the case was going!!
Can they appeal the decision? What’s next?
Overriding the will of the people *of the entire state* isn’t really a good idea, and these justices failed to consider that.
So they should just do it again without the vote like they are doing it in Red states. This time make is 11-0 blue districts. Take the fucking gloves off. It sucks but we have to fight back (figuratively) and do what they are doing in Louisiana and Florida. Do it in VA, Illinois, NJ, New York, etc.
This is what happens when you fight fire with flowers like dems have been doing for years.
Good thing FL showed that you can just ignore what the state constitution says and do it anyway
Failed government
Either ignore it or start drafting a bill to pack the VA Supreme Court with new Spanberger nominees – you’re gonna need to do it with SCOTUS anyways, might as well start practicing on the state level.
Wow what a gut punch.
IMHO-
So, the republicans can redistrict, but the democrats cannot.
Seems fair to me /s
Ignore the court and do it anyways. Republicans in Ohio and NC have been doing it for years with zero consequences.
Republicans have destroyed this country. They have lied, stolen and cheated their way to the top of the swamp.
This pisses me off. How are Republicans able to get away with illegal redistricting maneuvers, while Dems are held to impossible standards when trying to fight fire with fire?
I feel like I’m losing my mind. How does this get struck down, but other states redraw without a vote
Absolutely insane. Voters passed this act and it gets struck down. Meanwhile Florida passes through the same thing in violation of the state constitution as well, and it passes, no problem. No vote needed.
Make it make sense.
This is *completely natural* to conservatives. Why *should* the same things be allowed to liberals as to conservatives? They have ZERO expectation that all sides should play by the same rules – in fact they consider forcing all sides to play by the same rules to be *wrong*.
They should just ignore the supreme Court. Republicans are ignoring the constitution and the courts, why should Democrats follow now?
This is clearly a sign of a healthy democracy that a bunch of state representatives can snap their fingers and the GOP gets a map they want, but when democrats want to respond in kind (to cancel the effects of the GOP’s new map), they have to put it to a vote, and even after there is a vote that shows the people want democrats map, it gets overturned on procedural grounds. I get that different states have different rules, but the GOP clearly has a rule advantage when it wants to fuck with the system.
I hope it gets appealed to SCOTUS just so that they can look the American people in the eye and claim that people cannot decide their districts through a democratic process, but a bunch of representatives in already gerrymandered states can.
Cant the VA legislature now just pass the new map and have the governor sign off on it? This precedent has been set by Texas, Fl., Louisiana etc…
Redraw it, implement it, delay changes until the elections are near and then say it would be unreasonable to try to change things now. I don’t know why democrats have these problems wielding power, people have been doing what they wanted for millennia but democrats treat pieces of paper like forces of the universe.
Now I’m sure people will claim it’s illegal, but that’s just your interpretation. Until you’re actually in jail, legality is up for debate, and even once there, you have options!
There will no doubt be negative repercussions of these choices but the immediate harm of not acting is allowing the GOP to rule forever. I’d rather break the rules to make a better future than not break the rules, lose the rules, and make a worse future.
So the Republicans can do it but it’s illegal for Democrats. That means the entire American system has failed.
Here’s my advice Democrats in Virginia. Do it anyway. Fuck the Supreme court. You’re in power. DO IT. Virginians voted for this. The Supreme Court is irrelevant.
The war will not be won by following your enemy’s rules.
Well for the Virginia State constitution all that is needed is a simple majority in both houses for an amendment. And democrats have that majority.
Time to ram something through otherwise the only winner will ever be the side willing to break the rules.
Use them anyways. It’s what Republicans do.
The SC has no enforcement mechanism, as the Republicans have exploited
Edit: The Corrupted Courts have only one litmus test these days: Is it Republicans filing or is it Democrats? There is no other hurdle. This SAME court already ruled that the ballot initiative could proceed on the ballot, and now that it passed, they are saying that doing so was unconstitutional. They can’t even maintain a consistent argument in the haze of their abject corruption.
Completely illegitimate courts overruling the will of the people time and time again.
Republicans have fucked over absolutely everyone that isn’t a billionaire at this point. No matter what they do the midterms will be a bloodbath.
What makes this extra infuriating is that what they took issue with wasn’t the new map, but the process with which that they put it to a referendum. Republicans were able to effectively argue that expediting the process to get the people to vote on redistricting was what made it unconstitutional.
With this decision, legislators using their majority to force redistricting without the public’s say was just deemed more legal than actually getting the people who put them in power to vote on it themselves.
Wait. Wasn’t this voted on by the people?
That’s fucked. The dems should just do it and when they are told no point at the Supreme Court
Spanberger could and should enforce the map anyway. Ohio did it so if the Supreme Court strike down VA at a federal level they’ll have to strike down Ohio too
This will be one of the bullet points in the list of what drove the country to active rebellion.
So if the courts can deny the will of the people, what’s stopping the people from ignoring the courts? Leave the results the same and just ignore their biased ruling.
Literally yesterday TN passed the bills to re-district the state. They repealed the timeline restriction, repealed the law requiring notification of voters subject to redistricting, and passed a map that completely disenfranchised the population of Memphis, while active protests were occurring due to the overwhelming popular resistance to this action.
Not only did the new map split the democratic blocs in Memphis, it certainly appears that it was designed specifically to split the black vote. Of democrats, the cluster in which 70% of the democrats were white was moved as a single unit to a new district. The black democratic voters were split almost perfectly down the middle into two separate districts, giving black voters even less of a voice.
TN passed these bills, and the governer signed them, in a 3-day special session after voting has already been occurring for the primaries and candidates have already begun campaiging for the districts that were removed. This is illegal, but they repealed those laws as well.
Democrats cannot afford to play by rules that bind only them.
Edit: It’s worth noting that in floor testimony Virginia doing redistricting was specifically used as a justification for doing it in TN.
>“Democrats just learned that when you try to rig elections, you lose,“ Republican National Committee Chair Joe Gruters said in a statement.
Emphasis on „you.“
I feel that the Democrats really need to push the messaging here.
„You voted Yes. The judges said No.“
„Don’t let radical conservate judges legislate from the bench.“
Now the Democrats need to play by the same rules as the GOP and gerrymander anyway.
If they are going to instead subjugate themselves to the GOP’s self-serving ruling, they will lose.
The correct response is „We’re going to do the same thing all the red states do when it comes to judicial rulings. Go get fukt. We’re still doing it. The ACTUAL PEOPLE have spoken.“
Do it anyways like Ohio. No one will stop them
Use them anyways
The courts are the problem. This country is cooked.
Such spectacular bullshit.
„The Friday decision says the amendment process pushed by Democrats violated the state constitution, effectively blocking the effort to redraw congressional maps mid-decade.“
So Virginia will sacrifice the U.S. Constitution, as well as its own State Constitution, as Republicans advance their evil agenda to overthrow the government entirely.
It’s likely that if they appeal it to the Supreme Court, we’ll get a ruling favoring ‚unconstitutional dictatorship‘ as well.