It says at the bottom: it is defined as the people who have a household income between 70%-150% of the median household income.
SirHawrk on
Der Mittelstand ist was anderes als die mittlere Klasse.
Mittelstand beschreibt normalerweise Unternehmen mit weniger als 500 Mitarbeitern.
Die mittlere Klasse is häufig schwer zu definieren aber bei Einkommen (man kann’s ja auch noch über Vermögen definieren) meistens 70%-150% des median Einkommens
Edit: i am an idiot and will translate this later
Suspicious_Place1270 on
living on 4.2k is nowhere near mittelstand
onlyseriouscontent on
Is this net income?
peters-mith on
Indeed it’s a bit funny the way they do it. Basically they say: “Middle class is people earning between 70% and 150% of the median income.”
Would be even better if they just said “Middle class is people who are middle class.”
UchihaEmre on
IMO without net worth this is a bit worthless
Active_Brilliant_13 on
The article asks whether it would be a problem to pay an unexpected bill of 2,500 francs, and I have to say, if someone doesn’t have the means to simply have that 2,500 francs on hand, then in my view that’s already hidden poverty in a country like Switzerland.
And I’m by no means a high earner; I’ve simply learned to save relentlessly and buy only what I need, not what I want. I live alone, support only myself, and always manage to get by somehow -my heart breaks for all the families out there who struggle every month.
Justiceenforcer4711 on
Is it gross income? Or net income? Or disposable income (after Tax and health insurance)?
M_Bellini on
It’s unclear if net or gross, without knowing this is useless information. Edit: this is gross income
> Laut Bundesamt für Statistik (BfS) sind das Alleinlebende mit einem monatlichen Bruttoeinkommen zwischen 4228 und 9061 Franken oder Paare mit zwei Kindern unter 14 Jahren mit einem monatlichen Bruttohaushaltseinkommen zwischen 8880 und 19’028 Franken.
Hans_Grob on
Farmers living on their own farmhouse, especially in the Alps, are socially certainly middle class, almost independent on income,which is anyway partly subsidised. In terms of number of children, they are top class, because only this one can afford them, except a certain type of low class.
Lopsided_Capital_946 on
I think this is accurate. I count to the weak in the statistics and think it’s correct.
Helvetic86 on
It‘s correct but it doesn‘t really tell how high the standard of living is. A family with 2 kids and 13k per month with 2 100 % workers and kita expenses is off way worse than if only 1 of them works and gets 12k and the other person does child care.
FckCens0rship on
If thats gross I’m supposingly ‚Stark‘ yet I’m barely scraping by due to absolute insane rent 😖
valkrys22 on
So as a single mum of three teenagers with alimony but not reaching the ’schwach‘ income (Paar mit zwei Kindern unter 14) I’m fucked? 🤣
And here I thought I’m just bad with money 🤣
LeIdrimi on
Just considering income…. How much you inherited doesn’t matter, right?
xerror4null4 on
We should stop thinking in „mittelstand“, „unterschicht“, etc., and start thinking in classes
Otherwise-Fun-8911 on
>more than half the people, earn around the median income
Yeah no shit, didnt need a statistic to know this wtf. I a single man who will never afford a home and can put a bit into savings, qualifies as lower middle class. Thats realy sad…
the_kaaat on
When people vote for taxing the rich, the rich hide their money behind complex schemes.
Those who are left to pay the taxes are the mittelstand.
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It says at the bottom: it is defined as the people who have a household income between 70%-150% of the median household income.
Der Mittelstand ist was anderes als die mittlere Klasse.
Mittelstand beschreibt normalerweise Unternehmen mit weniger als 500 Mitarbeitern.
Die mittlere Klasse is häufig schwer zu definieren aber bei Einkommen (man kann’s ja auch noch über Vermögen definieren) meistens 70%-150% des median Einkommens
Edit: i am an idiot and will translate this later
living on 4.2k is nowhere near mittelstand
Is this net income?
Indeed it’s a bit funny the way they do it. Basically they say: “Middle class is people earning between 70% and 150% of the median income.”
Would be even better if they just said “Middle class is people who are middle class.”
IMO without net worth this is a bit worthless
The article asks whether it would be a problem to pay an unexpected bill of 2,500 francs, and I have to say, if someone doesn’t have the means to simply have that 2,500 francs on hand, then in my view that’s already hidden poverty in a country like Switzerland.
And I’m by no means a high earner; I’ve simply learned to save relentlessly and buy only what I need, not what I want. I live alone, support only myself, and always manage to get by somehow -my heart breaks for all the families out there who struggle every month.
Is it gross income? Or net income? Or disposable income (after Tax and health insurance)?
It’s unclear if net or gross, without knowing this is useless information. Edit: this is gross income
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz-unterer-mittelstand-kaempft-mit-hohen-wohnkosten-439253095536 here’s the article.
They talk about Bruttoeinkommen, so it’s gross:
> Laut Bundesamt für Statistik (BfS) sind das Alleinlebende mit einem monatlichen Bruttoeinkommen zwischen 4228 und 9061 Franken oder Paare mit zwei Kindern unter 14 Jahren mit einem monatlichen Bruttohaushaltseinkommen zwischen 8880 und 19’028 Franken.
Farmers living on their own farmhouse, especially in the Alps, are socially certainly middle class, almost independent on income,which is anyway partly subsidised. In terms of number of children, they are top class, because only this one can afford them, except a certain type of low class.
I think this is accurate. I count to the weak in the statistics and think it’s correct.
It‘s correct but it doesn‘t really tell how high the standard of living is. A family with 2 kids and 13k per month with 2 100 % workers and kita expenses is off way worse than if only 1 of them works and gets 12k and the other person does child care.
If thats gross I’m supposingly ‚Stark‘ yet I’m barely scraping by due to absolute insane rent 😖
So as a single mum of three teenagers with alimony but not reaching the ’schwach‘ income (Paar mit zwei Kindern unter 14) I’m fucked? 🤣
And here I thought I’m just bad with money 🤣
Just considering income…. How much you inherited doesn’t matter, right?
We should stop thinking in „mittelstand“, „unterschicht“, etc., and start thinking in classes
>more than half the people, earn around the median income
Yeah no shit, didnt need a statistic to know this wtf. I a single man who will never afford a home and can put a bit into savings, qualifies as lower middle class. Thats realy sad…
When people vote for taxing the rich, the rich hide their money behind complex schemes.
Those who are left to pay the taxes are the mittelstand.