Zunächst möchte ich mich als großer Fan von Star Trek vorstellen.
Und ich habe gehört, dass Elon Musk gesagt hat, dass die Produktionskosten dank künstlicher Intelligenz auf Null sinken werden und dass die Währung verschwunden sein wird.
Als ich das hörte, dachte ich, es sei wie bei Star Trek, dem Universum, in dem Post-Scarcity erreicht wurde, nur dass es in Wirklichkeit noch keinen Replikator, Transporter oder Warpantrieb gibt.
"In den letzten dreihundert Jahren hat sich viel verändert. Die Menschen sind nicht mehr besessen von der Anhäufung von Dingen. Wir haben den Hunger, die Not und das Bedürfnis nach Besitztümern beseitigt. Wir sind aus unseren Kinderschuhen herausgewachsen."
"Der Erwerb von Reichtum ist nicht länger die treibende Kraft in unserem Leben.
Wir arbeiten daran, uns selbst und den Rest der Menschheit zu verbessern."
– Kapitän Jean Luc Picard
Glaubst du dann, dass sein Wort in Zukunft wahr wird und wir alle in Glückseligkeit sein werden?
Aber ich habe auch das schlechte Gefühl, dass die Erde von MegaCorps regiert wird.
Was ist Ihre Meinung dazu?
Do you think our future is like Star Trek?
byu/No_Move_6683 inFuturology
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Early 80’s kid. I grew up thinking that by the 2000’s we would have teleporters and would have evolved beyond our currency based inequality system.
No, our future won’t be like Star Trek. At this rate, it will be more like Blade Runner.
Don’t forget that Star Trek is also after a very nasty world war.
Nope, blade runner or cyberpunk is where we are heading
Cyberpunk mixed with Mad Max and dystopian horror movies.
Something like Elysium.
Elon musk says many many stupid things. That doesn’t even make the smallest amount of sense. Production won’t be free. Ever.
I hope we go the way of star trek. Who knows.
If we do not -forcibly- remove the wealthy from power, our world will -never- be like Star Trek.
Musk and his buds may relinquish wealth, but they will replace it with a different power over humanity. Thats what we need to be aware of.
You know the bit in Star Trek history where there is a massive war that nearly wipes out humanity, and then the Vulcans come along? Yeah.
Well our future is a lot like that, except without the Vulcans…
I think it could be, eventually. Keep in mind they had to live trough WW3 first though.
„Elon Musk said.“ That’s a red scammy, scummy, nazi flag right there.
“Money will be irrelevant, but I’m keeping loads of it just in case.”
Umm – Musk’s goal is to hoard $10 trillion dollars.
That technology is way down the line, unless humans extend their life expectancy don’t anticipate seeing any of it regardless of if it happens or not.
Star Trek portraits a society where money is an obsolete concept, capitalism is thing of the stupid human past and the Earth as no countries and works together as a single Federation. I think warp drive is the more realistic concept between these lol
> I heard that Elon Musk said the cost of production will be zero thanks to Artificial Intelligence, and that the currency will be gone.
Elon Musk says a lot of things, but ultimately all he really aspires is power for himself, which is essentially the opposite of a Star Trek like future.
Even with today’s technology, the problem isn’t that there isn’t enough money, enough resources, etc. to give everybody a dignified life with less work. The problem is that the ownership of that money and those resources are distributed very unevenly, and that this inequality between the very rich and the rest of us is only growing.
Which may ultimately lead to the outcome that you are fearing (and which has in part already happened), that the earth is increasingly ruled by a few large companies, owned by a few rich people.
BTW, „the cost will be zero“ is a stupid statement. Obviously that can’t be true because you have to use some kind of energy and other resources for any production, all of which is finite.
You can’t be a humanitarian and an asshole at the same time. For as much positive bluster as he produces his life doesn’t match the sentiment anymore at least.
I think enough of Elon’s predictions have missed that we can stop listening to a word he says. I think he has shown his motivations are corporate profits that we can stop thinking he cares about human benefit.
You think the side trying to be the first to 10 trillion has any aspirations toward a civilization of unrestricted abundance?
Maybe one day, in the distant future, many generations from now. After guys like Elon bring us the eugenics wars.
Not the way humans keep wanting to hoard all capital and resources into the hands of a few individuals , no. A socialist utopia scares too many people. Our future, unfortunately is looking more and more like cyberpunk lore where we are all slaves to warring corpo-states.
We had a taste of how the wealthy could run things when Musk was in control of reducing USA government spending. Cuts without a lot of logic.
There can be no post scarcity until land and resources stop being limited.
So no, we aren’t like Star Trek, and as always Musk is little more than a drugged up dipshit talking out his ass
When Elon Musk imagines the future he imagines Dune.
When I imagine the future I see The Expanse.
My opinion on this is that Elon Musk is a moron whose job it is to say ridiculous things to get attention in the press, so spending a lot of mental energy taking him seriously is a waste of time.
That said, a human society like Star Trek requires a LOT of a advancements that not only don’t exist yet, but that we have no notion if they’re even *possible*, ***and*** for the benefits of said advancements to become universally accessible, which runs counter to historical precedent.
So no, I doubt Star Trek is in our future. Cyberpunk is far more likely.
Humans won’t get along so long as religion exists. And Musk should’ve never left the cave his papa used to fuck him in. Best we can hope for is Wall-E, but I have a feeling we’ll be eating eachother before switching to an all bug diet.
There’s a lot of pessmistic pushback here, and it is interesting/disturbing to see in general how much more pessimistic this sub has become in the last few years. 5 or 6 years ago this sub was often ridiculously, wildly optimistic. This change to some extent seems to reflect cultural vibe shifts more than anything else. It is also striking how people can be extremely confident about this sort of thing even as the prevailing views changes radically in just a few years.
So here’s my answer: we don’t know. Some trends look really good, and other trends look really bad, and where any of them are going and which are going to win out is hard to predict. So one shouldn’t be confident here either way. But if things do go well it will be in part because we as a whole took the effort to make them go well. Unfortunately, it also isn’t always clear except in retrospect which things really will help make things better. But that also doesn’t remove our moral obligations to try.
Progress always looks negative up close, but in the long run the trend for humanity has been up, up, up. We complain about lives today that our ancestors—even recent ancestors—would consider unimaginable paradise. My guess is that trend will continue.