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    Kann der Iran mehr Schmerzen ertragen als wir?

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    1. BulwarkOnline on

      Eric and Eliot assess the prospects for a negotiated settlement to the war, and whether we could end up in a „no war, no peace“ situation. They also discuss the mutual incomprehension that leaders in both countries exhibit regarding the interests and intentions of the other, Iran’s new collective leadership in the wake of Ali Khamenei’s death, and the structural similarity to the situation faced by Soviet leaders after the death of Stalin. Finally, they respond to reports that the administration is considering deporting to the Democratic Republic of the Congo roughly eleven hundred Afghans in Qatar who were evacuated in 2021 amidst the US withdrawal.

    2. jrgkgb on

      Average Iranians took more pain on any given Tuesday than average Americans do in a month prior to the war.

    3. TakayamaYoshi on

      Average americans? We can’t even tolerate 50 cent increase in gas price, or have no access to Netflix or Instagram for a few days, or have to ride bikes to work, or have to turn up the AC by 3 deg, or have less meat in the dinner, or have to work 2 hours more everyday. So I dont know.

    6. carolinaindian02 on

      Would be nice to hear the take of the average Iranian on this topic, if not for the fact that Iran has implemented paid whitelisting on top of their internet blackout.

    7. tasinsight on

      The issue may be less who tolerates more pain than whether marginal pressure is still producing strategic leverage.
      If damage to Iran has diminishing effects while costs diffuse outward, time may not naturally favor the side applying pressure—especially with unclear end goals.

    8. endlessedlne on

      The last generations of Americans to live through major pain were probably the generations that lived through the World Wars and the Great Depression in between. Everything since pales in comparison.

      The Iranian Revolution was in 1979. All Iranians born since then are well experienced with pain and hardship. In other words everybody 57 years old or younger has lived through economic scarcity, violence and repression.

      I’m pretty sure that the average Iranian can endure a lot more hardship than the average American through prior experience.

      Keep in mind that it’s the ‘Average’ people on both sides who will feel the pinch. The Elite classes will sail through this whole thing with barely a scratch.

      In a way the question isn’t who can endure more pain though, it’s more about how much pain each population can be pushed to endure before they turn on the leadership class en masse and force policy or even total regime changes.

    9. Dean_46 on

      For Iran, it is an existentialist war and therefore I believe they will take more pain.
      If the US was directly attacked, I would assume they would take a lot more pain than they would currently accept.

      I am from India and worked in Iran years ago. While the regime was disliked – despised by some, merely unpopular with others, the Iranians are a proud people who would not like regime change to be imposed from outside – particularly by someone who wants to either end their civilization, or take their oil.

    10. Apprehensive-Ad9523 on

      I think they can tqke the pain but the stench of the Thumpers diaper is killing them…

    11. Playful-Demand2312 on

      Yes Iranians already took far more pain

      But there is a limit, I’m Iranian Armenian and most of my family live in Isfahan/Tehran, but a few do live in Urmia, they called me the other day from the Turkish border, not to seek asylum or refugee, but to buy damn groceries as they are now cheaper in Fvcking Turkey

      Turkeys per capita is 3x-4x that of Iran, yet it is cheaper to drive across the border and buy food now, absolutely ridiculous

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