Die Erwartung, dass fahrerlose Taxis Radwege respektieren, sei „eine zu hohe Messlatte“ – weil Kunden in ihnen abgesetzt werden wollen, sagt das autonome Fahrzeugunternehmen Waymo gegenüber Radfahrern /London
Von YesNo_Maybe_
Die Erwartung, dass fahrerlose Taxis Radwege respektieren, sei „eine zu hohe Messlatte“ – weil Kunden in ihnen abgesetzt werden wollen, sagt das autonome Fahrzeugunternehmen Waymo gegenüber Radfahrern /London
Von YesNo_Maybe_
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Cool, then no license to operate in the UK or the EU. The European governments need bring the US companies to heel.
Then theyre not fit for the road.
As always with AI, the only way to accept it is lowering our expectations
So practically free money if you see one of them halting on the bike lane?
I would like a piece of cheesecake. Alas, we can’t always get what we want.
Part article: Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.
According to the Highway Code, motorists “must not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation” or block a bike lane marked by a broken white line “unless it is unavoidable”.
Drivers are also told that they should give way to cyclists using the bike lane and wait for a “safe gap in the flow of cyclists” before crossing the infrastructure.
However, just as its robo-taxis begin driving autonomously in the UK for the first time, cycling campaigners in the US have claimed that Waymo has told them that the cars are programmed to pull into cycle lanes to pick up and drop off passengers.
Who gets the fine or taken their license when a driverless car breaks the law?
Then ban them
Taxi stands were invented for a reason.
Yes, in fact we do expect vehicles, however they are operated, to follow the rules of the road. If you can’t, then you can’t be on the road.
Send them to Denmark, we need work for mechanics fixing dents and bumps.
Okay then, they don’t need to operate in the EU. We can have a referendum about it, I’m pretty sure Europeans will overwhelminly choose bike lanes over driverless taxis.
Then they shouldn’t operate in London, simple as.
a vehicle driving by itself needs to be programmed in a way that it follows all traffic laws, if they are just going to say screw the inconvenient law and break it anyways then the vehicles aren’t fit for the road
How are human drivers punished when blocking bike lanes in London? If the idea is that these are better drivers than humans then we should certainly be holding them to a higher standard.
So fine, Waymo, every time they do it. Stick some points on the car’s licence, and if it gets 12, ban them all. I can guarantee the problem will be fixed.
Cost of improving bike lines with clear separation for pedestrians and cars put on cost of license (over x years).
Easy.
Sounds like asking cyclists to not set fire to the Waymo cars would be “too high a bar because people want to”
Oh totally fair. Infact why not get get rid of footpaths too, clearly a hazard for waymo. While we are at it why not get rid of mass trasit, waste of money, we could live in a world with just waymo to bring us everywhere.. /s
The arrogance is off the charts.
what these customers want! cyclists also „want“ to be able to cycle in a bicycle lane. that is what the those lane are there for. if taxis want their own lane they will have to fight for them just like cyclists had to
Expect damage to your cars then…
No. Just no.
Well, then you won’t get approved to driver in London roads, simple.
And if they can’t respect lanes then they are not fit for the road and shouldn’t be legal.
For those who didn’t even open the article: nowhere in the article it is claimed „too high a bar“.
Also, Waymo didn’t say anything of the sort about „customers want to be dropped on them“.
However you feel about Waymo, the article is pure made up garbage.
It’s pretty realistic, human Taxi drivers also care shit about road laws.
Is this just about picking up and dropping off passengers? Because how can that happen without crossing over to the bike lane? Do passengers walk out into the street to hail taxis? And then get dropped off in the street?
Sounds like London needs a better pick up and drop off system. Expecting bikes, taxis, robots, wheelchairs, and pedestrians to share a single bike lane is unreasonable. Waymo obviously can’t just demand to not have to follow the laws. Sounds like this problem existed before Waymo though. Delivery, emergency, and handicap access are all important to keeping a city running smoothly.
For Londoners, do regular taxis drop off people in cycle lanes?
If they don’t, fuck waymo, but if they do, what’s with the double standart?