Typical Liberal response who thinks they can tax their way to utopia.
Why not look for ways to increase competitive wages so young Canadians are incentives to stay in the country?
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Should we make Canada a more economically attractive place for these people? No. Clearly we need to be more like North Korea and punish anyone who dare try to leave our glorious nation.
KageyK on
It’s less about punishing them for leaving, it’s more about making it financially impossible for them to go and keeping them trapped here.
bristow84 on
It’s too much work otherwise to convince young Canadians to stay in Canada and put their education to good use. It would require companies to actually pay competitive wages, have good benefits, offer training and not just use offshoring or LMIAs/TFWs to increase their employee count.
This is an opinion piece on the opinion of someone who is neither in government nor has any influence on the government.
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>former Google CFO Patrick Pichette suggested that the government should restrict the ability of young Canadians to work in the United States, because Canadian taxes had funded their education.
What an idiotic suggestion. How do you stop a brain drain? Start by making your country the preferred place to live. Our companies put more emphasis on cheap workers than talented worker, which makes it attractive to professionals from the developing world as a result, but that doesn’t put us on the level of the US for our own professionals
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theoreoman on
Maybe if Canada stopped importing so many temporary foreign workers salaries could actually go up to where they should be and people would want to stay
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On a macroeconomic scale All jobs pay relative to jobs below and above each position. For example a retail supervisor makes a dollar or two more than a cashier, and a general labourer might make $3-5 more than a retail supervisor, etc. So if you flood the market with temporary workers that you don’t need to pay more than minimum wage that basically sets the floor, and if you have an extreme oversupply of min wage workers all the sudden these people still need to work and they’ll now be willing to work slightly higher positions (like labourer) for less money just so they can feed themselves and this pulls down the entire job market down.
With the flood of international students they will now all compete for the same entry level jobs that Canadian students used to exclusively have. A lot of these international students are of equal or higher caliber than Canadians so they will easily be a good fit with many companies, but the difference between these students and Canadians is that they have sacrificed a lot to get to that position and they have a Canadian PR riding on getting Canadian experience, so many of this students will take any salary to get that PR. This drags down the entire entry level market and eventually will drag doe. The early-mod level market.
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PartyNextFlo0r on
Plunge the housing prices 67% and we’ll stay, otherwise yall got a huge retirement burden to deal with.
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t0mless on
So apparently improving the country is out of the picture?
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How about we just stop making young people compete with imported slave labour and maybe they will stay?
Golf-Hotel on
The Americans have always had a vested interest in taking the best and brightest from other countries and using them for their own interests.
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luxuryriot on
Canada should be levying a 1-5% income tax on Canadian living abroad rather than current 0%. It does seem unfair to me to be able to live abroad and pay nothing but always have Canada as a fallback.
ZealousidealHead5488 on
We be in the The new Times magazine list- top ten Dictatorships!
Wolfman-101 on
Why leave a sinking ship when you can put your elbows up really high?
BettinBrando on
They can’t afford a home here.. what do you expect?
This talk of forcing young people to stay sounds fascist as fk
konathegreat on
Nope.
We need to make this country more attractive to keep them.
But instead, we carry on with failed policies that will further erode the country.
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The fact is no matter how much we improve Canada, it’s never going to be competitive with a country 10x our size and one of the world’s most advanced economies. No country in the world pays the kind of wages the US can for talented workers or has the density of talent and capital and innovation that they do. We can improve our economy for sure, but being able to pay the same $500K that the US might pay a very talented engineer or lawyer or trader is extremely hard, it means building companies that lead globally and bring in money from all over the world and compete head to head with established US companies. Easier said than done.
But unlike e.g nordic countries with subsidized education, we live right next to them with similar cultures and easy movement, its like literally living next to a talent magnet.
The optics around restricting people’s right to work anywhere or to pay back money they indirectly received are just terrible. But it does make some sense economically that if we pay $200K to subsidize educations and live next to a talent magnet, we are giving away a bunch of money that won’t come back to our economy.
soviet_toster on
Honestly it’s kind of whack that somebody from the Liberal Party even suggested this idea if this doesn’t scream trying to turn the country into a retirement community with a view I don’t know what is
TiredSlav on
Start paying them a living wage and make life more affordable. What a novel concept for our elites, huh?
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As someone who left to work in the US before 2000 and as someone doing his MBA in finance, I can tell you that trade and labour restrictions are a net negative for economic welfare. In short, don’t do it.
The better way is to attract foreign investment and invest in R&D to improve productivity, opportunity, and wages.
Canadian labour restrictions are as counterproductive as Trump’s tariff policy. You might benefit a few local enterprises in the short run, but that doesn’t come close to offsetting the giant shaft you give to young skilled professionals.
I pay plenty of Canadian property, school, and rental income tax on my Canadian properties.
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With A.I not sure what the job market will look like anywhere anymore so brain drain might be way less of an issue in 5 years – the bigger issue is what are we going to do when youth unemployment hits 40%?
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Fishyscience on
Well if Canada provided better opportunities then I would have stayed. I had numerous job offers in the US but none in Canada. That’s a lot of educational training I took with me.
Mrdingus6969 on
Let’s act like North Korea that will inspire the Canadian youth! /s
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>former Google CFO Patrick Pichette suggested that the government should restrict the ability of young Canadians to work in the United States, because Canadian taxes had funded their education.
I’d love to see if a government would actually be stupid enough to try and implement this idea. It’d spell political suicide for whoever who does it
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Why are people stuck on this? It was one person’s suggestion. It’s not a Liberal platform idea, nobody supported it, they didn’t vote on it because it has no support… Why do people keep brining this up like it was an idea being given any consideration?
Yes, brain drain happens. Yes, we need to do something… but nobody with any power is suggesting going along with this one person’s idea.
CanadianRunner03 on
This only shows that Canada is failing, if you have tax your people that want a better life elsewhere due to your failings, the writing is on the wall.
modsaretoddlers on
This entire debate is idiotic.
This guy isn’t in the government and nobody is actually suggesting any of this.
That said, even if he did have any power, I wonder how much he should pay if he wanted to leave. I think he should pay a substantial exit tax on all of his *wealth*. So, that includes all stock options and assets. Let’s say, %50. After all, he earned it in Canada from Canadian consumers.
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Typical Liberal response who thinks they can tax their way to utopia.
Why not look for ways to increase competitive wages so young Canadians are incentives to stay in the country?
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Should we make Canada a more economically attractive place for these people? No. Clearly we need to be more like North Korea and punish anyone who dare try to leave our glorious nation.
It’s less about punishing them for leaving, it’s more about making it financially impossible for them to go and keeping them trapped here.
It’s too much work otherwise to convince young Canadians to stay in Canada and put their education to good use. It would require companies to actually pay competitive wages, have good benefits, offer training and not just use offshoring or LMIAs/TFWs to increase their employee count.
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*“Earlier this month, during a* [*panel discussion*](https://archive.ph/o/Piqdf/https://www.cpac.ca/cpac-special/episode/2026-liberal-convention–panel-discussion-on-the-canadian-economy?id=fdf20b29-6dad-4599-8fe0-085775e7f103) *on the Canadian economy at the Liberal Party convention in Montreal, former Google CFO Patrick Pichette suggested that the government should restrict the ability of young Canadians to work in the United States, because Canadian taxes had funded their education. A clip of these remarks went viral, and for good reason: as Shopify founder Tobi Lütke said in response, „*[*making Canada a cage*](https://archive.ph/o/Piqdf/https://x.com/tobi/status/2043067264505630979)*“ is not the right strategy to build a strong economy.“*
This is an opinion piece on the opinion of someone who is neither in government nor has any influence on the government.
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>former Google CFO Patrick Pichette suggested that the government should restrict the ability of young Canadians to work in the United States, because Canadian taxes had funded their education.
What an idiotic suggestion. How do you stop a brain drain? Start by making your country the preferred place to live. Our companies put more emphasis on cheap workers than talented worker, which makes it attractive to professionals from the developing world as a result, but that doesn’t put us on the level of the US for our own professionals
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Maybe if Canada stopped importing so many temporary foreign workers salaries could actually go up to where they should be and people would want to stay
Edit.
On a macroeconomic scale All jobs pay relative to jobs below and above each position. For example a retail supervisor makes a dollar or two more than a cashier, and a general labourer might make $3-5 more than a retail supervisor, etc. So if you flood the market with temporary workers that you don’t need to pay more than minimum wage that basically sets the floor, and if you have an extreme oversupply of min wage workers all the sudden these people still need to work and they’ll now be willing to work slightly higher positions (like labourer) for less money just so they can feed themselves and this pulls down the entire job market down.
With the flood of international students they will now all compete for the same entry level jobs that Canadian students used to exclusively have. A lot of these international students are of equal or higher caliber than Canadians so they will easily be a good fit with many companies, but the difference between these students and Canadians is that they have sacrificed a lot to get to that position and they have a Canadian PR riding on getting Canadian experience, so many of this students will take any salary to get that PR. This drags down the entire entry level market and eventually will drag doe. The early-mod level market.
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Plunge the housing prices 67% and we’ll stay, otherwise yall got a huge retirement burden to deal with.
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So apparently improving the country is out of the picture?
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How about we just stop making young people compete with imported slave labour and maybe they will stay?
The Americans have always had a vested interest in taking the best and brightest from other countries and using them for their own interests.
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Canada should be levying a 1-5% income tax on Canadian living abroad rather than current 0%. It does seem unfair to me to be able to live abroad and pay nothing but always have Canada as a fallback.
We be in the The new Times magazine list- top ten Dictatorships!
Why leave a sinking ship when you can put your elbows up really high?
They can’t afford a home here.. what do you expect?
This talk of forcing young people to stay sounds fascist as fk
Nope.
We need to make this country more attractive to keep them.
But instead, we carry on with failed policies that will further erode the country.
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The fact is no matter how much we improve Canada, it’s never going to be competitive with a country 10x our size and one of the world’s most advanced economies. No country in the world pays the kind of wages the US can for talented workers or has the density of talent and capital and innovation that they do. We can improve our economy for sure, but being able to pay the same $500K that the US might pay a very talented engineer or lawyer or trader is extremely hard, it means building companies that lead globally and bring in money from all over the world and compete head to head with established US companies. Easier said than done.
But unlike e.g nordic countries with subsidized education, we live right next to them with similar cultures and easy movement, its like literally living next to a talent magnet.
The optics around restricting people’s right to work anywhere or to pay back money they indirectly received are just terrible. But it does make some sense economically that if we pay $200K to subsidize educations and live next to a talent magnet, we are giving away a bunch of money that won’t come back to our economy.
Honestly it’s kind of whack that somebody from the Liberal Party even suggested this idea if this doesn’t scream trying to turn the country into a retirement community with a view I don’t know what is
Start paying them a living wage and make life more affordable. What a novel concept for our elites, huh?
As someone who left to work in the US before 2000 and as someone doing his MBA in finance, I can tell you that trade and labour restrictions are a net negative for economic welfare. In short, don’t do it.
The better way is to attract foreign investment and invest in R&D to improve productivity, opportunity, and wages.
Canadian labour restrictions are as counterproductive as Trump’s tariff policy. You might benefit a few local enterprises in the short run, but that doesn’t come close to offsetting the giant shaft you give to young skilled professionals.
I pay plenty of Canadian property, school, and rental income tax on my Canadian properties.
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With A.I not sure what the job market will look like anywhere anymore so brain drain might be way less of an issue in 5 years – the bigger issue is what are we going to do when youth unemployment hits 40%?
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Well if Canada provided better opportunities then I would have stayed. I had numerous job offers in the US but none in Canada. That’s a lot of educational training I took with me.
Let’s act like North Korea that will inspire the Canadian youth! /s
>former Google CFO Patrick Pichette suggested that the government should restrict the ability of young Canadians to work in the United States, because Canadian taxes had funded their education.
I’d love to see if a government would actually be stupid enough to try and implement this idea. It’d spell political suicide for whoever who does it
Why are people stuck on this? It was one person’s suggestion. It’s not a Liberal platform idea, nobody supported it, they didn’t vote on it because it has no support… Why do people keep brining this up like it was an idea being given any consideration?
Yes, brain drain happens. Yes, we need to do something… but nobody with any power is suggesting going along with this one person’s idea.
This only shows that Canada is failing, if you have tax your people that want a better life elsewhere due to your failings, the writing is on the wall.
This entire debate is idiotic.
This guy isn’t in the government and nobody is actually suggesting any of this.
That said, even if he did have any power, I wonder how much he should pay if he wanted to leave. I think he should pay a substantial exit tax on all of his *wealth*. So, that includes all stock options and assets. Let’s say, %50. After all, he earned it in Canada from Canadian consumers.