How is it possible to have so many fucking ads on a single website.
Choice-Ad6376 on
eSIMs was never meant to be anything more than money savings for the phone maker and a lock in for carriers.
TehWildMan_ on
The fact that transferring eSIMs between devices is still a basically non existent feature still annoys me a bit
swollennode on
physical SIM is much better than eSIM, imo. When I switch phones, popping in and out a SIM card was easy, and it worked all the time.
For eSIM, I’ve had more problems with activation because of server issues.
ifupred on
Esims are great if you travel. Other ways not so much
Tasty-Traffic-680 on
>But with an eSIM if my old phone is broken or stolen, it complicates things significantly, and in many cases just a regular transfer from one phone to another can involve multiple steps that can even require a call to customer support.
How is a physical sim any better if your phone is stolen? Don’t get me wrong, it would be nice to just scan a qr code and transfer the esim but most of the author’s arguments including the one above are idiotic. Just like this „certain group of people“ that’s always swapping phones. Who gives a shit? That’s just something they’re going yo have to deal with or they could learn to live without getting a new phone every 6 months.
Open the carrier app, sign in, download the sim. It’s that god damn simple. No going to a store or waiting for a sim to come in the mail. What’s so bad about that?
Syrairc on
On the other hand, eSIM makes it a 10-20 minute process to switch carriers, at home, if you’re not under contract. I love it for that reason.
f0xsky on
Have Google Fi and switched through several pixels. Never had an issue with esims.
hookem549 on
The real reason eSims are annoying to transfer between phones is due to sim theft. Carriers have been sued numerous times because people had their physical sims stolen or the eSIMs stolen (the later through social engineering) and the thieves promptly used the stolen number to gain access to the victims bank accounts via two factor authentication. There is a legitimate concern for user safety that has to be balanced with consumer convenience. But AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and the rest are going to err on the side of caution
theumpteendeity on
Ive always just transferred my physical SIM between phones and I refuse to buy any phone that doesn’t have a SIM slot.
yorcharturoqro on
The only good thing about esim is that travel sim are on fact easier than before
IRGhost on
I got eSIM for my tablet because i could get my tablet working a few days faster.
It took 4 or 5 tries and an hour with customer support and a few more tries to get it working.
Waiting 2 or 3 days is what i prefer next time.
splynncryth on
The trap was obvious from the moment the tech was invented. I’m reminded of how simless CDMA phones worked
get-a-mac on
It’s the classic CDMA bs that now became worldwide.
Single-Use-Again on
I bought an unlocked iPhone for the wife about a month ago and I’m dreading having to transfer from her old school sim to the esim. There’s no way it’ll be seamless.
tiradium on
I can’t say this is true for sure maybe its anecdotal but I think I have worse reception with eSIM than a physical sim card
SeaFailure on
it was always a trap, not sure why folks thought otherwise. The freedom of being able to switch devices without having to call up or ‚activate‘ was the benefit of physical SIM. If my phone dies/breaks, I cannot switch SIMs to a backup device until I get hold of a CC agent or find alternate means. How is this convenient?
furculture on
I do wish that if some phones were going to go esim+sim slot would make it also have a sim+micro SD slot in them. MicroSD express would be a game changer.
Practical-Custard-64 on
This was entirely predictable.
Until recently, one network that I used to use here in the UK would not allow you to transfer an eSIM. You had to request a *new* one. They would send it to you by snail mail in the form of a QR code printed on a piece of paper and they would charge you for it. Total time for the operation: an hour on the phone and a week to get the QR code.
Time to extract a pSIM from one phone and put it in the next: 30 seconds.
No wonder eSIM took a long time to catch on here.
eSIM-only phones are not popular here specifically because of this issue and because they’re not usable on every network (there are still some networks that don’t support eSIM).
bmfrosty on
I’m about to buy a new SIM card from T-Mobile because of the mistake I made a couple years ago.
notPabst404 on
The bigger issue is we need to end the practice of carrier locked phones. That is anti-competitive and shouldn’t exist at all.
husky_whisperer on
Kind of a tangent but…
Why in the ever loving fuck do people still put up with carrier locked phones?
Are there family plans or something that require it? Because my folks are on one and they both have unlocked phones.
Do people just enjoy being locked into a carrier for two years because of brand loyalty?
The only valid reason I can think of is for a work phone where they pay for everything. And at that point who gives a shit which carrier it is? It’s not my data
zman0900 on
Didn’t everyone see this coming pretty much immediately?
Scribit-Fiet on
I worked on the eSim/eUICC standards in ETSI.
The carriers only wanted the functionality in IoT devices, such as electrical meters. They did not want to allow it in phones in case it increased end-users ability to swap carriers (churn).
It was only pressure and voting by Apple & Microsoft that brought eSim to phone handsets.
It was a battle.
alchemy_junkie on
I dont know what this artical is talking about. I have been in the industry for a number of years and I can tell you sim locks have always worked the same. If your device is locked to a network you can not put a sim from a different network in that phone weather it is an esim or a physical sim. This is intended to make sure you pay off the phone before switching carriers.
If anything this would be more of a symptom of csrriers protecting their investment the. An issue with esims not that i am a fan of esims.
Additionally phones have an option to transfer esims between devices. I have set up thousands of phones and when you set up phones with esims you typically get three or four options and one is always transfer esim from another phone.
You can go check right now go to your settings and if your on an iphone you can go to sim management and then click add esim and peep the options. Its the same for Android though the exact options can very from device to device and versions of Android but on a pixel which runs pure andriod you would go to settings> network and internet > sims> add esim and you will see the option.
For what its worth though the process when first setting up the phone can be an absolute cluster fuck. The whole industry is held together with rubber bands and paper clips like the giant Reptar Robot Stu Pickles made in the Rugrats go to Paris movie.
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How is it possible to have so many fucking ads on a single website.
eSIMs was never meant to be anything more than money savings for the phone maker and a lock in for carriers.
The fact that transferring eSIMs between devices is still a basically non existent feature still annoys me a bit
physical SIM is much better than eSIM, imo. When I switch phones, popping in and out a SIM card was easy, and it worked all the time.
For eSIM, I’ve had more problems with activation because of server issues.
Esims are great if you travel. Other ways not so much
>But with an eSIM if my old phone is broken or stolen, it complicates things significantly, and in many cases just a regular transfer from one phone to another can involve multiple steps that can even require a call to customer support.
How is a physical sim any better if your phone is stolen? Don’t get me wrong, it would be nice to just scan a qr code and transfer the esim but most of the author’s arguments including the one above are idiotic. Just like this „certain group of people“ that’s always swapping phones. Who gives a shit? That’s just something they’re going yo have to deal with or they could learn to live without getting a new phone every 6 months.
Open the carrier app, sign in, download the sim. It’s that god damn simple. No going to a store or waiting for a sim to come in the mail. What’s so bad about that?
On the other hand, eSIM makes it a 10-20 minute process to switch carriers, at home, if you’re not under contract. I love it for that reason.
Have Google Fi and switched through several pixels. Never had an issue with esims.
The real reason eSims are annoying to transfer between phones is due to sim theft. Carriers have been sued numerous times because people had their physical sims stolen or the eSIMs stolen (the later through social engineering) and the thieves promptly used the stolen number to gain access to the victims bank accounts via two factor authentication. There is a legitimate concern for user safety that has to be balanced with consumer convenience. But AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and the rest are going to err on the side of caution
Ive always just transferred my physical SIM between phones and I refuse to buy any phone that doesn’t have a SIM slot.
The only good thing about esim is that travel sim are on fact easier than before
I got eSIM for my tablet because i could get my tablet working a few days faster.
It took 4 or 5 tries and an hour with customer support and a few more tries to get it working.
Waiting 2 or 3 days is what i prefer next time.
The trap was obvious from the moment the tech was invented. I’m reminded of how simless CDMA phones worked
It’s the classic CDMA bs that now became worldwide.
I bought an unlocked iPhone for the wife about a month ago and I’m dreading having to transfer from her old school sim to the esim. There’s no way it’ll be seamless.
I can’t say this is true for sure maybe its anecdotal but I think I have worse reception with eSIM than a physical sim card
it was always a trap, not sure why folks thought otherwise. The freedom of being able to switch devices without having to call up or ‚activate‘ was the benefit of physical SIM. If my phone dies/breaks, I cannot switch SIMs to a backup device until I get hold of a CC agent or find alternate means. How is this convenient?
I do wish that if some phones were going to go esim+sim slot would make it also have a sim+micro SD slot in them. MicroSD express would be a game changer.
This was entirely predictable.
Until recently, one network that I used to use here in the UK would not allow you to transfer an eSIM. You had to request a *new* one. They would send it to you by snail mail in the form of a QR code printed on a piece of paper and they would charge you for it. Total time for the operation: an hour on the phone and a week to get the QR code.
Time to extract a pSIM from one phone and put it in the next: 30 seconds.
No wonder eSIM took a long time to catch on here.
eSIM-only phones are not popular here specifically because of this issue and because they’re not usable on every network (there are still some networks that don’t support eSIM).
I’m about to buy a new SIM card from T-Mobile because of the mistake I made a couple years ago.
The bigger issue is we need to end the practice of carrier locked phones. That is anti-competitive and shouldn’t exist at all.
Kind of a tangent but…
Why in the ever loving fuck do people still put up with carrier locked phones?
Are there family plans or something that require it? Because my folks are on one and they both have unlocked phones.
Do people just enjoy being locked into a carrier for two years because of brand loyalty?
The only valid reason I can think of is for a work phone where they pay for everything. And at that point who gives a shit which carrier it is? It’s not my data
Didn’t everyone see this coming pretty much immediately?
I worked on the eSim/eUICC standards in ETSI.
The carriers only wanted the functionality in IoT devices, such as electrical meters. They did not want to allow it in phones in case it increased end-users ability to swap carriers (churn).
It was only pressure and voting by Apple & Microsoft that brought eSim to phone handsets.
It was a battle.
I dont know what this artical is talking about. I have been in the industry for a number of years and I can tell you sim locks have always worked the same. If your device is locked to a network you can not put a sim from a different network in that phone weather it is an esim or a physical sim. This is intended to make sure you pay off the phone before switching carriers.
If anything this would be more of a symptom of csrriers protecting their investment the. An issue with esims not that i am a fan of esims.
Additionally phones have an option to transfer esims between devices. I have set up thousands of phones and when you set up phones with esims you typically get three or four options and one is always transfer esim from another phone.
You can go check right now go to your settings and if your on an iphone you can go to sim management and then click add esim and peep the options. Its the same for Android though the exact options can very from device to device and versions of Android but on a pixel which runs pure andriod you would go to settings> network and internet > sims> add esim and you will see the option.
For what its worth though the process when first setting up the phone can be an absolute cluster fuck. The whole industry is held together with rubber bands and paper clips like the giant Reptar Robot Stu Pickles made in the Rugrats go to Paris movie.