Frankreich fordert Estland auf, das Museum für kommunistische Verbrechen umzubenennen, um Nazi-Opfer aufzunehmen
https://news.err.ee/1609994755/france-asks-estonia-to-rename-communist-crimes-museum-to-include-nazi-victims
Von Bathroom_Spiritual
Frankreich fordert Estland auf, das Museum für kommunistische Verbrechen umzubenennen, um Nazi-Opfer aufzunehmen
https://news.err.ee/1609994755/france-asks-estonia-to-rename-communist-crimes-museum-to-include-nazi-victims
Von Bathroom_Spiritual
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>The name of the Museum should reflect its whole history, and not only the evils of the Soviet communist regime,“ the embassy wrote, **noting the future museum will include a specific area dedicated to victims of the Holocaust.**
I have no stake in this, but i assume that’s the reason why
The title is misleading.
Article explicitly mentions victims of nazism, and not nazis that would be victims
As a French I understand why it would make sense but I don’t uderstand why our **embassy** is working on this?
Edit: ah ok ->
>“The Patarei prison was the final arrival point of 300 of the Jewish deportees of Convoy 73, which left Drancy in France on May 15, 1944 to Lithuania and Estonia.
>“Among them were André and Jean Jacob, father and brother of Simone Veil, the first Chairwoman of the European Parliament (1979–1982) and Minister in France.
Still I think it should be more of a polite suggestion than a demand
Edit 2: u/ichbinverruckt I think it might help so you don’t have to read the whole article
I propose to rename the COMMUNISM CRIMES in uppercase. That crimes aren’t represented enough in Europe, cuz they prefer to deal with the culture washing.
Estonia should consider opening a special area for Russian crimes soon
It seems to me there’s nothing wrong with the French request, and the names they proposed are quite suitable.
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From article
„…concerns the museum set to open in 2027 at the Patarei Sea Fortress.
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The Patarei prison was the final arrival point of 300 of the Jewish deportees of Convoy 73, which left Drancy in France on May 15, 1944 to Lithuania and Estonia. They lived in inhumane conditions, were forced to perform slave labor, and some of them were executed,“ the embassy stated.
Among them were André and Jean Jacob, father and brother of Simone Veil, the first Chairwoman of the European Parliament (1979–1982) and Minister in France. Only 22 returned.“
France proposed two alternative versions for the name: the International Museum for the Victims of Communism and Nazism or the International Museum for the Victims of Totalitarian Regimes.
„We do not deny its portrayal of Soviet terror, we abide by a simple rule: the imperative need to preserve the traces of the victims of alI terrors. The singularity of each memory has to be showed, in order not to be denied,“ the letter read.“
French Jews were sent to this prison by the Nazi occupiers and were later exterminated. Some of you need to read the article before you comment.
Feels like classic case of good intention, clumsy execution. Maybe a simple subtitle like “Communist Crimes Museum, including Nazi Occupation” would solve most of this without rewriting local memory politics.
As a museum employee myself, I would not really consider it appropriate if a foreign government demanded our museum to be renamed. Museums‘ job is to showcase real history, and they have a duty to truth and accuracy in their work. How they go about it is their own business, though. While valid, constructive criticism is always welcome (and may even improve museum exhibitions and content), foreign governments or other outside organizations should not be allowed to dictate to museums what they can say or what they can call themselves.
> However, she promised that Holocaust victims would not be forgotten, with a dedicated area set aside for them in the 5,000-square-meter museum.
Sounds adequate.
Living in a country that was a victim of communism, I don’t see why you can’t have a museum about communist crimes without also dragging nazi crimes in the mix.
Seeing the article and other comments, i get it.
The museum is already opening a Holocaust section and there were french people sent to camps in estonia.
To which Estonia already responded „lol no“
So I’m just wondering: Does have Estonia another dedicated holocaust museum?
Because if it has, I’d say there shouldn’t be any need to include that part of history in the Communist Crimes museum, maybe a room about this specific part of the buildings history would suffice. And if it doesn’t, it’s probably about time to create one and I see nothing wrong to use a semi-permanent exhibition in the CCM as a temporary solution to show (among other things) the role this building played during the German Occupation.
Better clearer history, museums etc, is always a good thing. Everyone needs to know about what happened in the era. Lest we make the same mistakes again.
The weird thing about estonia is that they stil to this day commemorate ss criminals that took part in holocaust and erect monuments for them
Why does this sub get so defensive on this subject?
Rightfully so.
Seems reasonable. Why should the name not reflect the entire history of the place? If anything it’s confusing to step into a Communist Crimes museum to then also see Holocaust victims. The prison evidently housed both Holocaust victims and victims of the Soviets, why should one be considered more important than the other? Would be a different story if it was a museum on „neutral ground“.
Yes it should absolutely include both Nazis and the Soviets. They both committed heinous acts of murder in Patarei prison, and both should be remembered.
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Once French stop oppressing minority languages and allow public schools in minority languages such as Breton language as all other EU countries do (for their respective minorities) they can start asking such things.
There have been many genocides in Europe. Why select just one?
Seems pretty reasonable. We have other similar museums as well that combine both Nazi and Soviet crimes, a museum of multiple occupations, etc. Both Soviets and Nazis used that building for their horrendous deeds so it would make sense to name them both, no big deal.
The buildings in that complex have seen so many horrors and are now being turned into apartment buildings. I guess the developers are not targeting the superstitious people I suppose.
Don’t really know what to think about this honnestly… part of me think « mind your own business? » ( i am French)
Makes sense, nazis aren’t any different from commies