The U.S. and Israel started dropping bombs on Iran because the regime, amid mass street protests, appeared to be in a weakened state. But the regime has now ended up with a much stronger hand: It’s proven its leverage over the global economy with the Strait of Hormuz, and under Trump’s offer, Iran will get a huge infusion of cash to rebuild its ballistic missiles program and fund its proxy terror groups. At the same time, Trump has made the United States look like a rogue state—while spending billions for a deal he could have got without a war.
Plus, Israelis are likely not happy, the Gulf states realize America can’t protect them from Iran’s drones, Cuba is readying to be next, Dems should make clear they are the anti-war party now, Trump is fighting his demons from his first term, and JD has a radical and un-American world view.Ben Rhodes joins Tim Miller on today’s Bulwark Podcast.
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Yes. Former Obama White House strategist for the JCPOA thinks that Trump will get a worst deal then the one Obama got.
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Happens when you only have a *concept of a plan* and not an actual plan.
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“The guy who came after me is not as good as me”
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Ben Rhodes’ nickname in the Obama White House was “Hamas”. He played a huge part in getting the JCPOA signed, which Iran never actually followed.
(Satellite imagery and uranium particle tests showed Iran had a secret, active nuclear site at Turquzabad the entire time the US was in the JCPOA).
Has no bearing on whether this deal is good or bad – but yea of course Ben Rhodes is going to say this.
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Ben Rhodes is delusional LOL. He ll say anything to try and keep their legacy intact
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The art of using someone else’s deal
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Well, yeah. Trump went into this expecting to “completely obliterate” Iran’s ability to resist and failed to do so. Iran’s apparent willingness to resist despite multiple successful decapitation strikes, and its ability to still paralyze travel through the Strait, put America in an untenable position. Either it tripled down on an unpopular war and put boots on the ground shortly before midterms or it had to find a deal with enough concessions that they could sell it to low-information voters. Neither are enviable positions.
There’s not really a winning option from here. It’s really easy to sit on a forum and talk about how this or that clause needs to be in place to prevent Iran from getting the bomb. It’s a lot harder to prevent that country from doing so after you demonstrate how utterly powerless their conventional military forces are.
Anything short of the regime change Trump demanded is likely to just mean Iran gets the bomb in the future and nothing short of occupation can accomplish that regime change. Both of those are political poison but only one can be sold to voters you’ve conned into believing you were the anti-war candidate.
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The U.S. and Israel started dropping bombs on Iran because the regime, amid mass street protests, appeared to be in a weakened state. But the regime has now ended up with a much stronger hand: It’s proven its leverage over the global economy with the Strait of Hormuz, and under Trump’s offer, Iran will get a huge infusion of cash to rebuild its ballistic missiles program and fund its proxy terror groups. At the same time, Trump has made the United States look like a rogue state—while spending billions for a deal he could have got without a war.
Plus, Israelis are likely not happy, the Gulf states realize America can’t protect them from Iran’s drones, Cuba is readying to be next, Dems should make clear they are the anti-war party now, Trump is fighting his demons from his first term, and JD has a radical and un-American world view.Ben Rhodes joins Tim Miller on today’s Bulwark Podcast.
Yes. Former Obama White House strategist for the JCPOA thinks that Trump will get a worst deal then the one Obama got.
Happens when you only have a *concept of a plan* and not an actual plan.
“The guy who came after me is not as good as me”
Ben Rhodes’ nickname in the Obama White House was “Hamas”. He played a huge part in getting the JCPOA signed, which Iran never actually followed.
(Satellite imagery and uranium particle tests showed Iran had a secret, active nuclear site at Turquzabad the entire time the US was in the JCPOA).
Has no bearing on whether this deal is good or bad – but yea of course Ben Rhodes is going to say this.
Ben Rhodes is delusional LOL. He ll say anything to try and keep their legacy intact
The art of using someone else’s deal
Well, yeah. Trump went into this expecting to “completely obliterate” Iran’s ability to resist and failed to do so. Iran’s apparent willingness to resist despite multiple successful decapitation strikes, and its ability to still paralyze travel through the Strait, put America in an untenable position. Either it tripled down on an unpopular war and put boots on the ground shortly before midterms or it had to find a deal with enough concessions that they could sell it to low-information voters. Neither are enviable positions.
There’s not really a winning option from here. It’s really easy to sit on a forum and talk about how this or that clause needs to be in place to prevent Iran from getting the bomb. It’s a lot harder to prevent that country from doing so after you demonstrate how utterly powerless their conventional military forces are.
Anything short of the regime change Trump demanded is likely to just mean Iran gets the bomb in the future and nothing short of occupation can accomplish that regime change. Both of those are political poison but only one can be sold to voters you’ve conned into believing you were the anti-war candidate.