I’m going to have to hand over my ID to every platform who wants it because the government wants to make digital heroin illegal but only for under 16s.
>“I do think it could be an important layer, but it has to be seen as that and not as the answer to everything. Online harms don’t end as soon as you turn 15 or 16 or 17,” he said.
At least to Marc Miller’s credit he seems to understand a ban is one thing and it is dangerous regardless of age.
WheresHarvey on
Govern me more please
DryMeeting2302 on
There should also be a ban for seniors above 75 too
BlazeOfGlory72 on
I’m fine with this in theory, but in practice it sounds like a nightmare. This policy wouldn’t be enforceable without forcing some form of identification to be presented to access certain cites, which is just yet one more step in governments/corporations trying to control the last bastion of free speech.
geardownbigrig on
How to make foreign VPNs money 101
Powerful_Network on
Lol how would you even enforce something like this?
Standard_Program7042 on
Personally I’m more worried about the over 70 group. My dad forwards me AI videos all the time thinking there real.
HydraDoad on
If I am needing to provide ID for anything, I’m out.
Altruism7 on
There goes half of r/canada comments section
ZardozSama on
Ok. How to you suggest this be enforced?
First, what consitutes social media? I assume most people will name Facebook, Tiktok, Instagram, and Twitter / X. What about youtube and reddit? What about BBEdit forums? Comment sections on news sites?
Next, blocking under age users from the internet entirely is probably a non starter, so how the hell will you keep them off a social media site? It is already pretty hard to keep an under age user off a porn site that is not pay walled.
I do not think trying to ban children from accessing the internet is viable. You might be able to prevent kids and young teens from creating a social media profile, but that would require a way to confirm that the profile belongs to an under age user. And what happens if the profile is not removed?
And a final edge case is young celebrities. Some musicians and actors are very young. Justin Bieber was 15 years old. The band Babymetal’s first song came out when the lead singer was 13 and the backup singers were 11. I do not think any new young performer will be able to release an album without using social media to promote it.
I am not entirely dismissing the intent of the law, but I seriously question the logistics of implementing and enforcing it.
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MentalSky_ on
Good
dewgdewgdewg on
So over the span of 6 years, the government has gone from telling kids to do all of their socialization online to none.
Kristopher9999 on
That’ll work really good.
Few_Replacement_5864 on
I’m sure they won’t find a way around this at all within a day or two
Raptorpicklezz on
No idea why they would do this without letting Australia try it out first and see how it works.
ThicccThunder on
I love the idea of living in a nanny state because people refuse to parent their children /s
BodhingJay on
we gotta have something ready to replace it with.. like a basketball.. or they gonna kill us
voltairesalias on
How would this be even remotely enforceable?
GroovyGhouly on
Maybe we should ban kids from social media. Personally I don’t see how this is remotely enforceable, but whatever. But if we’re banning anyone from social media, we should probably add over 65-year-olds to the list. The number of boomers, some in my own family, I have seen radicalized and lose all touch with reality by social media is insane.
Loan_Wolfie on
How do they implement it?
I’m in my 50s. If I’m required to give Meta, Musk, etc my driver’s license, bye bye social media, which wouldn’t be the worst thing.
0 chance those sociopaths are getting a copy of my driver’s license.
Troubled202 on
Let’s face it, the big tech oligarchs couldn’t care less about our kids. All they see is dollar signs and our children suffer the consequences. Ban social media for children!
dsbllr on
I do not want online ID checks. That’s the beginning of the end.
Creativator on
Just ban the specifically addictive features.
IceNo1666 on
Barely any real news on these sites anyway. It’s all just distractions and fake AI bullshit.
mightyanonymaus on
Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but shouldn’t this be the job of a parent to monitor their child’s use of the internet and social media and not the government?
BettinBrando on
Are we going to have a Nepal type of situation here?
teebles22 on
Here’s my pitch:
There’ll have to be some sort of government sponsored identity provider. Much like you have now, login with Google, login with Facebook etc. But instead you’ll probably login with a hash key (long string of text that’s very random) that should be fairly easy to get, still anonymous to a certain degree.
Like say for example if you go to your local Service <Province>, show your government ID, and get a hash key generated for you. All it does, is evidence that you are over 16+. The hash key doesn’t have any information about you, doesn’t even have to link to you as a person outside of that confirmation you’re old enough. Websites you’re trying to access, as part of the verification process on account creation, require you to fill in this hash key and select what governing body (the governing body needs to be registered). The website will call the governing body with the hash key and validate this person is 16+.
Verification for a hash can only be used once per site, tied to your website account. So even if minors who find your hash, can’t login with that same hash.
And there should be a page to allow you to check what sites have been used to verify age.
I mean it would be annoying for adults to have to go get this hash key, but at least it’s relatively anonymous.
TheSirWolffe on
State playing the role of the parent, yet again. Will we ever learn our lesson ?
Jman1a on
Nanny state nonsense. Also what sites? Are they just going to play wack-a-mole every time something new pops up?
reggiemcsprinkles on
Half of this sub will disappear.
BrokeBMWkid on
Just ban the whole thing at this point. It’s done unrepairable damage to our youth and it’s being used as a tool to mislead the elderly. We can just text each other, there is no need for broadcasting your life.
cubesushiroll on
And this can easily happen with a majority
Thereal_Stormm006 on
Canada’s Youth Facing Uncertain Future
Liberal Govt: The Best We Could Do Is A Social Media Ban
ifuaguyugetsauced on
Kids aren’t stupid they’ll find a way to circumvent the issue. This is a push to get more data on Canadians.
OkWelcome3389 on
Tech companies are lobbying for this as it let’s them collect absurd amounts of user data.
crafty_alias on
Good. Can we do over 65 too?
Rich_Pirana on
anyone who thinks this is about protecting children has room temp IQ.
Expensive_Lettuce239 on
And how do they plan to do this? The device they’re on doesn’t know the age of the user. Are the apps going to ask the age question? And every kid is automatically going to say they are 17? Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see how this is going to work.
AIMustAlignToMeFirst on
This is gonna end up just being AI face ID for everyone and not preventing any kids from being on the internet.
If parents don’t want kids on the internet they can put on parental controls.
VividGiraffe on
If you’re an adult and think this wouldn’t apply to you, it does.
You’ll need to prove you’re over 16, which means uploading your ID to some cloud service that tells social media companies your age. And then sells the rest of your personal ID info to the highest bidder.
So good job everyone.
BigFattyOne on
Just ban algorithmic social media.. for everyone.
SnowyOranges on
Wanna guess who lobbied the government to do this? Hint: rhymes with „millionaires“ and starts with a B.
Turns out the government DIDN’T have our best interests at heart. Who knew?
turboash78 on
Our tax money hard at work lol.
iz296 on
Canada the next Turkiye?
Tune in to see how this season of ‚A Liberal Canada‘ will end!
pastelfemby on
Yeah lets all send our IDs to some barely-canadian shell corp with overseas staff, minimal security, and who’ll sell their data to the highest foreign bidding agencies. Surely nothing bad will come of this.
bromptonymous on
This is stupid. I don’t want to give Reddit my ID.
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I say, let’s do children under 89.
I’m going to have to hand over my ID to every platform who wants it because the government wants to make digital heroin illegal but only for under 16s.
>“I do think it could be an important layer, but it has to be seen as that and not as the answer to everything. Online harms don’t end as soon as you turn 15 or 16 or 17,” he said.
At least to Marc Miller’s credit he seems to understand a ban is one thing and it is dangerous regardless of age.
Govern me more please
There should also be a ban for seniors above 75 too
I’m fine with this in theory, but in practice it sounds like a nightmare. This policy wouldn’t be enforceable without forcing some form of identification to be presented to access certain cites, which is just yet one more step in governments/corporations trying to control the last bastion of free speech.
How to make foreign VPNs money 101
Lol how would you even enforce something like this?
Personally I’m more worried about the over 70 group. My dad forwards me AI videos all the time thinking there real.
If I am needing to provide ID for anything, I’m out.
There goes half of r/canada comments section
Ok. How to you suggest this be enforced?
First, what consitutes social media? I assume most people will name Facebook, Tiktok, Instagram, and Twitter / X. What about youtube and reddit? What about BBEdit forums? Comment sections on news sites?
Next, blocking under age users from the internet entirely is probably a non starter, so how the hell will you keep them off a social media site? It is already pretty hard to keep an under age user off a porn site that is not pay walled.
I do not think trying to ban children from accessing the internet is viable. You might be able to prevent kids and young teens from creating a social media profile, but that would require a way to confirm that the profile belongs to an under age user. And what happens if the profile is not removed?
And a final edge case is young celebrities. Some musicians and actors are very young. Justin Bieber was 15 years old. The band Babymetal’s first song came out when the lead singer was 13 and the backup singers were 11. I do not think any new young performer will be able to release an album without using social media to promote it.
I am not entirely dismissing the intent of the law, but I seriously question the logistics of implementing and enforcing it.
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Good
So over the span of 6 years, the government has gone from telling kids to do all of their socialization online to none.
That’ll work really good.
I’m sure they won’t find a way around this at all within a day or two
No idea why they would do this without letting Australia try it out first and see how it works.
I love the idea of living in a nanny state because people refuse to parent their children /s
we gotta have something ready to replace it with.. like a basketball.. or they gonna kill us
How would this be even remotely enforceable?
Maybe we should ban kids from social media. Personally I don’t see how this is remotely enforceable, but whatever. But if we’re banning anyone from social media, we should probably add over 65-year-olds to the list. The number of boomers, some in my own family, I have seen radicalized and lose all touch with reality by social media is insane.
How do they implement it?
I’m in my 50s. If I’m required to give Meta, Musk, etc my driver’s license, bye bye social media, which wouldn’t be the worst thing.
0 chance those sociopaths are getting a copy of my driver’s license.
Let’s face it, the big tech oligarchs couldn’t care less about our kids. All they see is dollar signs and our children suffer the consequences. Ban social media for children!
I do not want online ID checks. That’s the beginning of the end.
Just ban the specifically addictive features.
Barely any real news on these sites anyway. It’s all just distractions and fake AI bullshit.
Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but shouldn’t this be the job of a parent to monitor their child’s use of the internet and social media and not the government?
Are we going to have a Nepal type of situation here?
Here’s my pitch:
There’ll have to be some sort of government sponsored identity provider. Much like you have now, login with Google, login with Facebook etc. But instead you’ll probably login with a hash key (long string of text that’s very random) that should be fairly easy to get, still anonymous to a certain degree.
Like say for example if you go to your local Service <Province>, show your government ID, and get a hash key generated for you. All it does, is evidence that you are over 16+. The hash key doesn’t have any information about you, doesn’t even have to link to you as a person outside of that confirmation you’re old enough. Websites you’re trying to access, as part of the verification process on account creation, require you to fill in this hash key and select what governing body (the governing body needs to be registered). The website will call the governing body with the hash key and validate this person is 16+.
Verification for a hash can only be used once per site, tied to your website account. So even if minors who find your hash, can’t login with that same hash.
And there should be a page to allow you to check what sites have been used to verify age.
I mean it would be annoying for adults to have to go get this hash key, but at least it’s relatively anonymous.
State playing the role of the parent, yet again. Will we ever learn our lesson ?
Nanny state nonsense. Also what sites? Are they just going to play wack-a-mole every time something new pops up?
Half of this sub will disappear.
Just ban the whole thing at this point. It’s done unrepairable damage to our youth and it’s being used as a tool to mislead the elderly. We can just text each other, there is no need for broadcasting your life.
And this can easily happen with a majority
Canada’s Youth Facing Uncertain Future
Liberal Govt: The Best We Could Do Is A Social Media Ban
Kids aren’t stupid they’ll find a way to circumvent the issue. This is a push to get more data on Canadians.
Tech companies are lobbying for this as it let’s them collect absurd amounts of user data.
Good. Can we do over 65 too?
anyone who thinks this is about protecting children has room temp IQ.
And how do they plan to do this? The device they’re on doesn’t know the age of the user. Are the apps going to ask the age question? And every kid is automatically going to say they are 17? Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see how this is going to work.
This is gonna end up just being AI face ID for everyone and not preventing any kids from being on the internet.
If parents don’t want kids on the internet they can put on parental controls.
If you’re an adult and think this wouldn’t apply to you, it does.
You’ll need to prove you’re over 16, which means uploading your ID to some cloud service that tells social media companies your age. And then sells the rest of your personal ID info to the highest bidder.
So good job everyone.
Just ban algorithmic social media.. for everyone.
Wanna guess who lobbied the government to do this? Hint: rhymes with „millionaires“ and starts with a B.
[„Meta proposes new age verification law for app store in Canada“](https://globalnews.ca/news/11542365/meta-app-store-age-verification/)
Turns out the government DIDN’T have our best interests at heart. Who knew?
Our tax money hard at work lol.
Canada the next Turkiye?
Tune in to see how this season of ‚A Liberal Canada‘ will end!
Yeah lets all send our IDs to some barely-canadian shell corp with overseas staff, minimal security, and who’ll sell their data to the highest foreign bidding agencies. Surely nothing bad will come of this.
This is stupid. I don’t want to give Reddit my ID.