Meinung: Bei den Protesten geht es nicht nur um Treibstoff, sie sind eine Revolte gegen einen hohlen Staat
https://jrnl.ie/7011572
Von razorlight95
Meinung: Bei den Protesten geht es nicht nur um Treibstoff, sie sind eine Revolte gegen einen hohlen Staat
https://jrnl.ie/7011572
Von razorlight95
29 Kommentare
Its a good read, regardless of standpoint on the protests.
If only we could revolt by culminating a decent political party 😩
“Cant afford to move“ but they can afford to take days off work? If these farmers with millions worth of assets in livestock, land, machinery etc. were bankers or financial employees with assets we wouldnt turn a blind eye to the nonsense. Why do they get a free pass?
They allow themselves to become completely discredited when the let’s the loons lead it. The unfortunate reality is though those people are more then happy to turn up.
Look, agree with or disagree with the protests (and the polls seem to suggest there’s a large split there), the reality is these protests are largely born from people being so incredibly frustrated with the current government.
I get there’s a significant part of the country are relatively comfortable and happy with them, but there’s also 50% of the country (in particular, outside Dublin) who are not only frustrated but constantly ignored. A great example of that is how many people were trying to outline why these protests were getting support on here but were just bombed into oblivion with downvotes from people who wanted to keep the discourse as „they’re scumbags, the army should murder them all“. There was zero desire to have a nuanced conversation on here about it. It was just instant aggression.
I fully appreciate that there’s a middle class who are seeing their assets rocket up, or have jobs that insulate them from the worst of the global economic issues. But that’s not everyone. There’s a lot of people finding the costs of food and energy ever rocketing forward, way beyond whats viable. There’s a massive, massive chunk of the country who feel they’re drowning, and the government response is to always dismiss them, and tell them it isn’t even wet.
At some point, when people are constantly shoved and shoved, they snap, in various manners. The protests, and the support they got, was people snapping at a government whose campaign slogans nowadays seem to be „Vote for us, we’re powerless to ever fix anything“. If the government want to cut the legs out from under SF or any insurgent right wing movement or whoever, they do that by not pretending the country ends at the border created by the M50.
But so long as the response continues to be to try and ignore everyone who tries to point this out, then you’re building more and more of a pressure point, where the release of frustration will get more dangerous as time goes on. When people are drowning, they simply won’t accept being gaslit that it’s not wet. They’ll go find the outstretched hand that’s offering them aide, which is a super dangerous thing to allow happen.
The headline, straight away, leads me to believe the article was GPT written
> CONSIDER CONTEMPORARY LIFE in Ireland: The three-hour commute because the train doesn’t exist. The GP list that’s been closed for two years. The €2,200 rent for a one-bed that would cost €900 in Vienna. The 14-month wait for an MRI on the public list, or five days if you can pay. The schools with no places, the buses that don’t come, the €12 sandwiches.
But the protesters didn’t push to fix any of those things. They just wanted lower taxes on fuel (and maybe oil drilling in the sea).
Not a hope that MeHole will bring up the Hormuz issue when he goes over to plámás Trump on paddy’s day next year
„As rich as Denmark, but delivering less than Poland.“
Okay, I fully agree, been saying this for years, but how is blocking people, who are sitting in the exact same boat, from going to work helping anyone? Or having a go at people running a soup kitchen? Or those stupid „Make Ireland great again“ flags…
If there was any political party who was happy to commit to infrastructure at the cost of short term spending and bailouts for various special sectors of the economy I’d vote for them but there isnt(if there is let me know).
We had an election less than 18 months ago.
Another one today probably won’t change anything (based on the last 20 years of governments).
But we know there are huge problems with the hse, nobody is not blaming successive government for that. Knowing that the likes of the hse already being on the edge and the protestors actively blockading people getting to their appointments is 100% wrong no matter what way you look at it. Tell cancer patients suffering with nausea from treatment that sure you being stuck in traffic now for hours is the hse’s fault, not the a hole in the tractor/truck up ahead actually blocking the road.
This protest was wrong, not because there was a protest, it was how the protest was implemented. Slow roll protest becomes completely blockade the road. No communication to the public as to when and where the protests would happen.
I get what the writer is saying but you cannot ignore the real consequences of implementing a protest in this way and how it actually affects people’s lives – the very ones that are hurting. This article tries to absolve the protestors of responsibility for their actions.
Ireland is not a „wealthy“ country. We’re a high income country and the distinction is very important. The likes of Austria and Denmark have generations of wealth, they plan prudently, invest and think of the long term. Much like a wealthy person who has built up a business and invested in their future.
Ireland by comparison is like a young basketball player who has just signed their first contract and is blowing all their new money on things they don’t need. And taking out debt while they’re at it. This is not wealth.
Neighbours bought their gaff next to me for €80k and it’s now worth €850k. For a certain generation, there is wealth. For younger generations, there’s none.
Either way, the blockades were not the answer.
The piece completely ignores that half a dozen of the countries with strong ratings on the index have had almost identical protests over the last number of years
Given how happy Steve Bannon, Tommy Robinson etc. are at these protests, I’m not exactly sure what would happen if the Government were to change.
The only likely alternative is who – Sinn Fein? Do they know Sinn Fein’s views? Are Sinn Fein populist enough to flip to the right to get into Government?
What a load of shite. This was a few morons brainwashed by their toxic facebook/twitter feed taking advantage of Ireland’s tolerance for people acting the bollocks.
Where were the protests 6 weeks ago? I’m hesitant to believe a situation in Iran is somehow a tipping point in our tolerance of government policies in Ireland.
The amount of right wing nonsense coming onto my feeds on social media has risen exponentially in the past week, that’s not a coincidence.
One final observation I would make is that, in my opinion, young people are the most disenfranchised group in Ireland. They must be sitting in classrooms or lecture theatres wondering how they can afford their next night out, how they will be able to support themselves in getting professional experience and establishing themselves in their profession, and then the big one how they’re ever going to afford a home. Yet I’m not seeing those issues front and center jn these protests and (broadly speaking) I’m not seeing young people front and center amongst the protestors themselves.
For a systems economist I’ve never seen so many sequiturs in my life and selective picking and choosing of comparisons to make some point. She falls into the trap some folk have that being an expert on one topic makes them an expert on everything. Profound insights like:
– Ireland has a 32% infrastructure deficit compared to a peer group made up of countries like Denmark fail to reflect that Ireland has been poor to very recently and had the worst property crash in Europe in 2008-12 necessitating the IMF to run the country, whereas the peer countries selected have been rich for centuries to build up that infrastructure. We are the second richest country for less than 10 years. 25 years ago we were one of the poorest countries in Europe. In 1980 we were behind a lot of eastern European countries in development indicies.
– Rail network shrank because it was built to export agricultural produce which is why many rail-stations were located in the countryside near marts and not towns.
– No reference at all that pretty much every statistical analysis shows Ireland on par or within the top 6 for outcomes such as our health system.
You can go on. Where she is right is that we are spending money on the wrong things – cash payoutsts to special interest groups dressed up as ordinary people. Ultimately the issue is that we are now living off the proceeds of an extraordinary & exceptional boom in MNC tax take – 65% of state revenue comes from the MNC sector. The reality is that if you don’t work for an MNC you are in fact being subsidised by that sector. Take it out and we are an exceptionally poor country.
Despite all the bizarre claims we have a right wing government pretty much all these exceptional proceeds are being funnelled into special interest groups because our democracy allows over representation of these groups. Not putting money aside for future use. Not investing in the right infrastructure. When the next crash comes it will be severe, worse than our peers in Europe and we are going to have the Troika in this country again to run it. And just like the last time it’s on the Irish electorate who only care about what money they will get from the state with an increasingly tiny minority actually creating the surplus that funds the state.
Not one opposition party despite their claims of being left wing have articulated an alternative economic vision bar the Greens. Most like Sinn Fein focus on the basest of clientelism buying votes like Fidez. The Government parties are tired and coasting on an unsustainable tax take as current events show. Rough times for the folk who think the state can spend our way out of any problem on the never never. We are back to the eighties and there is a significant gap in the market for a party like the PD’s again after the graft of the seventies and Jack Lynch bankrupting the nation for pretty much the exact same reason – abolishing motor tax and rates. And yet we named a tunnel after that fool.
Seems like the protests are a small group of well represented land owners who are asking for hand outs that only they will benefit from and hurting the overall working public in the process.
If the protests were about something bigger the demands would match that something and they simply do not.
[https://www.butthistime.com/p/mind-the-gap?open=false](https://www.butthistime.com/p/mind-the-gap?open=false)
There’s a general sense in much of the Western world that things are getting shit. And that’s because many things are becoming shit.
We have all of the luxuries in the world: good food from around the world, foreign holidays and technology that would have been thought of as fantasy 25 years ago. Alas, none of these are what makes a life. A life is a home. A life is a community. A life is a lover. A life is progeny.
The abundance we have today is a hollow abundance. And even this hollow abundance is becoming more and more out of reach with a possible recession looming.
We live in what can only be described an anti-human society. We are alienated, lonely, insecure and many of us are in the gig economy. In Ireland, many of these negatives are amplified e.g we have the isolation of dating apps but a culture that is highly sexually repressive. Unlike our fellow Europeans, we have a colonised mindset. We think of Irishness as something dysfunctional. We put ourselves down by saying things like ‚an Irish solution to an Irish problem‘. This has caused us to become overly obsequious towards State and EU institutions. The gutting of local democracy has made a shambles of our health service and has made a shambles of social housing. We have centralised the fuck out of everything in this country because we put ourselves down as localist bumpkins – and now we are seeing the terrible results of this. At the same time, the vacuum of local democracy is being filled by protest movements.
The Centre is only holding because we live in a gerontocracy that would rather nose dive into boiling acid than vote for a party other than Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael. When the auld heads are gone, things will become interesting here, to say the least.
US trained economist lads creating expert recommendations for a completely absent government voted in to do nothing, but with high level European tax levels. Worst of both worlds, we are not far away from rural Wisconsin while the government is counting in our social cohesion as an antidote
the protests are pretty explicitly about fuel, though. like yeah general dissatisfaction in the populace lent them more support/approval than they or other protests would’ve enjoyed in different circumstances but seems quite weird to run cover for the organisers and motives like this. they probably would’ve physically overthrown the government if urgent and immediate investment in infrastructure was proposed rather than subsidising fuel lol.
Very well written piece.
People denouncing the protests because the far-right got involved _after_ the fact or because they didn’t have a perfectly articulated set of demands, despite not normally having to be politically active are burying their head in the sand just as much as the government.
Whilst I agree with the general idea of the protest, there IS in fact a massive far-right, racist and misogynist element to these protests.
I also do not agree with the way they protests were done. The protesters also didn’t actually address the cost-of-living-crisis beyond diesel prices for farmers and hauliers. I’m neither a farmer or a haulier, I still have to pay the same prices except now, because of the protests (not the excessive prices) I would’ve been unable to work (unless the government cleared the blockade). Not to mention the fact that my workplace is now getting less business because of these protests as well. SIGNIFICANTLY less business I should point out. To the point where staff were sent home or asked not to come in at all.
How has any of that helped me or my colleagues?
Absolute scum held the country to ransom
Opinion: the protests are being fanned by right wing agitators taking advantage of the genuine desperation of farmer and hauliers about the fuel crisis.
Decent opinion piece. Agree with most of the points as made. The one thing that isn’t mentioned is the corruption with the elected government officials. She mentioned programs like HAP. Of course they’d vote to have that instead of government housing. Their friends, family and themselves wouldn’t make money. In the early days of the Tiger, when they built the Jack Lynch Tunnel. They were meant to build out the road network connection due to the fact there would be an increase in traffic. Well of course that didn’t happen, it was advised it wasn’t needed. Then à few years later it was oh dear, would you look at all that traffic, we need to build out the road network to handle that. Nobody could have predicted this. The costs to build this out years later was insane. I’m sure nobody made money on that “mistake.” How about when the Civil Engineers were hired as consultants for the roads being built and they were working fully time jobs and get the phone call they’re needed at the project. Works would stop for the time it took them to arrive. They’d show up spend an hour at most on site bill for the day and off they’d go. There was an investigation from the IMF on it! The biggest issue of all is the fact the same crowd who have completely mismanaged everything for the past 30 years keep getting the keys to continue doing what it is they do and the populace is shocked, shocked that the same bs keeps happening. This is how an extremist right wing candidate will eventually come along, get those keys and really make mess of things. At some point FF/FG need to be replaced and allow for another to at least try and change things. Worse case they can’t, so back to FF/FG and what you’re used to.