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    Die EU versucht, amerikanische Forscher abzuwerben und verspricht ihnen eine bessere Lebensqualität statt gut bezahlter Jobs

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    1. TatarAmerican on

      It will be a tough sell since most of them also hold teaching positions, allowing them sabbaticals every three to five years and four months of (potential) vacation time every year. They also have access to some of the best healthcare available in the US…

    2. im_just_using_logic on

      The EU should also be more dedicated in raising productivity in order to pay higher wages.

    3. i_no_can_eat on

      What about better conditions and stability for the ones that are already here?

    4. Additional-Read2676 on

      „quality of life“ lmao

      good luck convincing american professors that earning 4-5k eur gross in paris, amsterdam or munich and spending 60% or more of your salary on rent of 40-50 m2 flat is „quality living“

    6. New_Passage9166 on

      Poaching US researchers is maybe a bold statement given that many of those researchers are European and holding citizenship in European countries while working in the US after being poached.

    7. edparadox on

      > The EU is trying to poach American researchers, promising a better quality of life rather than high-paying job

      If you call that poach I wonder how you would call the decades since WWII in the US.

    8. IamHumanAndINeed on

      Start by preventing EU citizens to leave to the US for such position instead of poaching americans …

    9. inetguy101 on

      An offer that misses the target audience. The question that needs to be answered is how the EU would be able to help researchers to be more productive.
      Good researchers are in my experience not motivated by money nor quality of life, but their impact and recognition of their peers in their respective scientific field.
      So what should be done is an effort to minimize everything that is not research related. No mandate to teach, minimize burocratic burdens for funds and experimental setups (safety/ethics/budget, etc.)
      Additionaly labor rules should be relaxed, with 40 h/week you will never get in front of any competitive scientific field.

    10. AlfredsChild on

      South Korea alone is competitive in terms of drug development when put against the entirety of the EU. It’s not a lack of researchers that is causing that. The EU needs a better regulatory and financial environment to open up the potential for science. Trying to coax a handful of American-based researchers to move to the EU is a hopeless task.

    12. dragon_irl on

      European research is somewhat competitive actually, we’re just hilariously bad at converting research success into business.

      Which is a big reason why do many European researchers are leaving for the US. They want to productize their research, not spend their career writing grants for EU programs 

    13. StevenAdamsInDallas on

      Lol. Quality of life with all the 3rd world coming here. No thanks.

    14. isUKexactlyTsameasUS on

      FIXED IT FOR YA…

      Alternatively, and from personal experience thru our circle of canadian, yanks and brex-exits-eers,

      the EU really doesn’t need to “poach“ American or any other anglo researchers – as there is a far higher QoL,

      one that sometimes even promises a high*paying job as well – esp when all other factors are all weighed up.

      In NorthWesternEurope, the ability to live without actually owning cars is really under-reported / under-rated.

      (high*paying for researchers, not the other everyday stuff)

    15. justarandomuser10 on

      No American is coming from 200K+ to 50K here. Sure, you can try to manipulate them by using healthcare benefits and stuff, but there is no need at all. Its more cost effective and smart to hire domestic. There is no shortage here.

    16. Lofteed on

      the private health insurance system in the US managed to convince an entire generation that they actually have higher salaries than everyone else

      when they actually take you back all the difference and more at the first time you sneeze

    19. Sea-Feedback-2424 on

      It’s not just pay. Whe. K was working in the US Tthr organization I worked for had group policy insurance – nonqjesriond asked, you paid for it and subsidized by the company.

      There is peace of mind with short term disability, long term disability, life insurance, accjdentall death, disability insurance, and disability insurance for about $300 per month versus the amount I would pay out of pocket in Germsny at close to €1100.

    20. Green_Rays on

      After completing my PhD in the Netherlands and Belgium, I joined a major semiconductor company in San Jose in a role that aligned perfectly with my dissertation. My starting salary was $220K, and today my wife and I together earn north of half a million dollars annually.

      When I was job hunting in the Netherlands, most opportunities I found were relatively low-paid engineering roles. And it’s not only about the salary… the number of relevant openings was also very limited. In Western Europe, the only organizations that really matched my background were NXP in Nijmegen, imec in Leuven, IBM in Zurich, and Infineon in Munich. Unfortunately, none of them were hiring for roles that suited my expertise at the time.

      In contrast, in the U.S. I came across dozens of positions that were an excellent fit, and hundreds more that I would have gladly taken.

      There really was no comparison.

    22. vikiiingur on

      LOL, if they think a top researcher is going to work for peanuts, they are pretty deluded

    23. SeriesDowntown5947 on

      Eu is to general. You mean UK germany france etc. All very different in their research infrastructure etc. The best places in europe for research eg best funded are prob Germany and the UK. They have tight competive methods of funding and hiring. The Americans get no advantage or ever will. I dont see the Americans wanting to go to poland Portugal etc as they dont have funding.

      In short I dont see this. There’s huge money in america. Notra dames engineering department ca
      A 50 academics got 300 yes 300 million to support there research from donors.
      Only oxford or cambridge can get genuinely compete as they have too massive donor bases

    24. tech_and_org on

      Its working.

      Source:

      PhD Ecology – Computational Systems Biology (2013 Emory)

      Accenture Applied Intelligence (2014-2019 N. America ultra high value clients, High Tech and Comms verticals

      PhD Management – Emerging Technologies and Organizing (2026 McGill)

      Assistant Professor, Department of Digitalization, Copenhagen Business School (Fall 2026 – )

    25. huzaa on

      An optimal EU would be completely be able to give both high pay and high living standards.

    27. ontologicalmatrix on

      „Hey American academics, would you like job security and a better cost of living, great food standards and a complete abolishment of tipping culture as well as free or cheap healthcare in exchange for paying your taxes? Boy do we have an offer for you.“

    29. Addesi on

      It’s nice that Europe is trying something, but it reminds me of that joke Simpsons made years ago.

      Homer loses a peanut in the couch, searches for it, finds 50$ instead, and, is dissatisfied. Then his brain asks him why. Homer answers that he wanted to find a peanut to which the brain says that 50$ is better than a peanut and it quotes a dictionary definition that „money can be exchanged for goods and services“.

      Now, if we take a researcher who can either earn 200k in the US or 50k in Europe, then yes, if he doesn’t spend a dime, his quality of life will be better here. But if he invests 100k of his US salary into his quality of life, then he will be living a much better life, with healthcare benefits significantly better than European, and he will still have more leftover than what he’d earn here.

    31. yankdevil on

      As an American who moved to Ireland last century, I’d say that’s accurate. I own my own home free and clear, I can turn off work with no bother, I’m pretty close to retirement. And not just financially, but also knowing what I want to do with my retirement. Friends my age in the US can’t imagine retirement on a fiscal level, never mind social. Work intrudes all over. Their salaries are bigger, but their expenses seem even larger: insurance, deductibles, car costs, housing costs, etc.

      My life would be noticeably worse if I stayed in the US.

    32. DarlingDaddysMilkers on

      Researchers working at the European patent office are anything but broke lmao

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