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    Professor verteidigt Kursinhalte, die Rassen- und IQ-Werte miteinander verknüpfen, und verweist auf „akademische Freiheit“


    Professor verteidigt Kursinhalte, die Rassen- und IQ-Werte miteinander verknüpfen, und verweist auf „akademische Freiheit“

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg/article/professor-defends-course-content-linking-race-and-iq-scores-cites-academic-freedom/

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    1. ChiefRunningBit on

      If you’re smart enough to do the tests you should be smart enough to be aware of the role class plays on intelligence. I thought universities were supposed to be full of commies.

    3. Syeina on

      You can develop intellectual humility without using statistics to lie. Learning that skill was a huge part of university for me  and they didn’t need to use racism to do it.

      It isn’t something I would consider ‚academic freedom‘ either

      Downvote me all you want guys. I’m still right (I always find it fascinating in this sub when I get a few upvotes and then will get spammed with downvotes)

    4. geardownbigrig on

      Intelligence is a culmination of institutions and the passing of lessons learned from those before you. No shit societies that have had much of them destroyed and then consistently fucked with for hundreds of years show to be less capable than those who have had stability for the same time?

    5. Autodidact420 on

      This is exactly the point of academic freedom tbh

      His description in the article sounds completely appropriate. Sucks to have feelings hurt, but it’s a university. It is specifically the institution that should be considering things like this.

    6. jjames3213 on

      Well… we already know for a fact that there is a significant genetic component to both psychological predispositions and IQ because we can track them across generations.

      Racial genetics are extremely diverse and it’s hard to see how regional markers/similarities are going to be tied to psychological predispositions. I have yet to see any convincing evidence that particular ‚genetic racial markers‘ can legitimately be tied to IQ and things like aggression and risk-taking.

      That said, I always thought that the people dismissing any sort of link outright didn’t have convincing evidence either. It was always more of a case of reasoning from consequences (AKA „I don’t like the consequences of this conclusion therefore it’s false“) than legitimate investigation.

    8. onesketchycryptid on

      Isnt IQ supposed to be based on a similar reference group? If you compare an entire race versus another, you’d have to use a reference for each that corresponds to the group tested, so the curve would inevitably balance out to the same mean.

      Using this type of comparison with this sort of test seems inherently flawed.

    9. fotank on

      “Every observation and data point that I described are unfortunately legitimate scientific findings. I wish it were not true, but my feelings don’t determine scientific findings. My job is to report the world as it is, not how I wish it were”

      No. The scientific method would lead us to question why these associations are observed. It’s been very well established that there are clear gender and racial inequalities even within high impact journals and publications. Wide-sweeping conclusions about race or gender cannot and should not be made. Regardless of what data he thinks he has, says what he thinks it says.

    10. jay370gt on

      When you compare two populations, you usually find differences. It’s just statistics, and statistics don’t care about feelings.

      At the same time, just because population A tends to have higher IQ than population B, you’ll still find people from population A with lower IQ than majority of the people in population B, and people from population B with higher IQ than majority of the people in population A.

    13. ThoughtsandThinkers on

      If you read the article, the professor’s position seems sound. He says he is teaching students to analyze the issues and arguments made by various sides of contentious issues so that they can understand how data is interpreted and misinterpreted

      On its face, this seems like what universities should do; teach people how to critically think

      I have no idea if this particular professor is doing what he says he is doing and doing so in good faith

      EDIT: If he’s doing this well, it could well make some people feel uncomfortable. I wouldn’t like hearing negative views about my group repeated and amplified. But instead of suppressing or silencing disagreement, universities should be places where views are critically examined. If you can trust in the process, it can be a place where people learn to respond effectively to hateful views. It could make Canada a more vibrant and healthy society instead of propagating echo chambers on the political left or right

    14. Previous_Day1102 on

      I think this says more about the weakness of IQ as a psychometric than anything.

    15. Think-Custard9746 on

      The course itself seems reasonable, but his actions afterwards make him look like the “fragile white male” stereotype, or in other words, a whiny baby.

    16. RedEyedWiartonBoy on

      Yet another case of if it’s not conveniently fitting into the popular narrative it matters not whether it’s academically sound, scientifically sound, based on empirical evidence, peer reviewed and evidence-based. It simply must not offend anyone in order to be true.

      As is often being said, freedom of expression, freedom of speech and academic freedom are not necessarily easy and convenient. They can be troubling and disturbing but if they are accurate and based on sound research It’s important to that we accept the findings and make sure they are subjected to analysis, review and the dialogue they raise continues.

    18. Moonhunter7 on

      IQ tests are very much culturally linked. An IQ test developed in England will have people in Japan scoring lower than if they completed an IQ test of a similar level that was developed in Japan and vice versa.

    19. Osiris-Amun-Ra on

      Protesting even studying race and IQ differences, you’re not fighting racism – you’re just blocking actual science that could actually help. The gaps are rock-solid: US Black-White average is about 1 SD (15 points) lower on every major IQ test, East Asians score a bit higher than Whites, and these show up on culture-neutral tests like Raven’s matrices, predict real stuff like job performance and income better than SES does, and haven’t closed much despite decades of interventions.

      Very high heritability (50-80% within groups from twins and adoptions) plus stuff like adoption studies where Black kids raised in rich White homes still average substantially lower, kids regressing to their racial mean, and brain size patterns matching the IQ order make pure „environment only“ or the *if-we-only-nurtured-better* look shaky as hell. It’s the same with height or sprinting – ancestry matters for averages there too without anyone crying „hate.“

      Shutting down this dude’s research based on some activists‘ hurt fee fees doesn’t erase the data,it just keeps us wasting money on feel-good programs that fade out while ignoring what’s really going on. Science doesn’t care about feelings – patterns are patterns, facts are facts and pretending otherwise is just cowardly bullshit.

    20. geardownbigrig on

      ??? Brother are you saying colonialism did not destroy local culture or asking something else here?

    22. Teive on

      Multiple filings with the labour board, involving the court at the wrong time… This guy is not receiving adequate advice about how to navigate the structure of the complaint process

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