Makes no sense, canadian federalism already has a ton of issues, adding another layer of govt seems make western alienation and Quebec issues worse
EatBaconDaily on
Im not willing unless a more robust mechanism exists to expulse nations. Can’t be in a coalition with Hungary who is literally working against western interests by spying for Russia
cdnBacon on
Nope. It just doesn’t work for us, not in the way it is commonly portrayed.
Now … a freedom of movement and work agreement? Coupled with closer military ties and the activation of existing economic ties? Absolutely.
But let’s remain our own country. We are just now breaking free from American hegemony, let’s not fall into another no matter how similar they are in outlook (at the moment).
crazysparky4 on
In terms of access to the trade block, sure. I’m not interested in being flooded with higher immigration and refugees again, which I can’t help but think would come with their free movement between members. Our passport already functions pretty well.
FireWireBestWire on
Best I can do is a free trade deal with some members of the EU
Queerslander on
If you want to be closer to Europe, just move there.
MZM204 on
What’s with people’s fetish for giving away Canada’s autonomy?
PLACENTIPEDES on
Lots of comments so far from people who don’t know what the EU does, or purposely for the sake of being bad actors.
Don’t form opinions from comment sections.
ImprovementDues on
How come I have never been polled on anything in my life, and I am in my mid 30s?
DeanPoulter241 on
No, no and NO! The EU has f’d europe up. The carney is a self-id’d global elite european! We can not afford to get dragged into the shite show that europe finds itself in right now!
AND if anyone thinks that europe will buy Canadian at the expense of its own producers at increased costs due to shipping and the carney’s net zero policies they are delusional!
There is more to be lost than gained by joining the EU. We live in NORTH AMERICA!
TheStigianKing on
In theory it could be great for Canadians.
European labor laws would do a world of good for Canadian workers.
That said in practice, free movement of people would flood Canada faster than Trudeau’s ever tried to.
And it would massively increase tensions between the US and Canada, as there would be a LOT more attempted illegal crossings into the US.
hakenwithbacon on
No, thanks. Why the fuck should some European nation that is like 10K km away dictate things happening here in BC for instance? People think these polls imply getting to move to Alicante or Algarve without going through visa hassles and that’s just only one part. The EU comes with its own bureaucratic nightmares that aren’t really relevant to us.
Having some kind of FTA with the EU should be enough to get the benefits of it. And AFAIK, we have a trade agreement with them
violentbandana on
ok but like… we aren’t European
Do we not just want to enter into major trade/economic agreements with the EU instead
t0mless on
We’re not even in Europe, how can we possibly even join?
Closer ties like a work agreement or better trade deals I don’t think would be inherently a bad thing, but joining outright?
AdEffective2701 on
We are already in many respects. Horizon Europe was a good first connection that will yield some amazing technology in a few years.
hurricane7719 on
Don’t need to formally become part of the EU, but can strengthen various cooperation agreements. I also wouldn’t mind us having certain regulations more inline with EU laws. Food safety, consumer protection, etc.
With our confederation we already have a structure similar to the EU, except where the EU has member countries, we have member provinces.
IskandarAli on
I’d rather not be required to follow laws and regulations made by an unelected governing body. We’re struggling to lose American influence why would we invite more foreign power into our borders? Especially one that will require major changes of us.
Electrical_Two6173 on
Hell naw
Old-Introduction-337 on
Another unelected body making decisions for Canada?
No thanks.
TheManyVoicesYT on
Uhhh why the fuck would we join the EU? We’re already in the UN. We dont need more government oversight Canada is one of the most ridiculously bloated beurocracies in the world.
imaginary48 on
Being able to live and work in Europe would be cool, but I don’t think people understand the EU and how joining works. You don’t just sign up one day and then you can move to France if you feel like it — it is a multiyear process that requires EVERYTHING to align to EU laws and standards. That includes trade negotiations (member states negotiate as a bloc), external import tariffs, product labelling, agricultural and fisheries policies, foreign policy, immigration and border security, monetary policy (including likely adopting the euro or pegging CAD to it), food safety, language laws (Quebec wouldn’t be allowed to), labour laws (admittedly better in the EU), environmental regulations, and even more. On top of that, provincial governments would have an obligation to also implement and follow EU laws.
Most of these topic are hotly debated in our country, and we can’t even get our provinces to agree on harmonizing many of these things let alone add a third layer of higher supranational government.
RoyallyOakie on
Nope. I’m afraid of commitment. I’d rather keep it casual.
LemmingPractice on
It is hard to believe that anyone could be so naive in relation to geopolitics to think this is a good idea.
Ironically, the issue is a microcosm of Canada’s issues of Western Alienatio. Alberta feels disenfranchised because the voter base that controls Ottawa’s decisions is in the Laurentian Corridor. Because Canada is such a huge country the economic interests of the Laurentian Corridor will never be the same as those of Alberta, because the geography of the two regions is too different.
The EU, of course, is controlled from Brussels, and all its voting nations are on the European continent. They will make the decisions that are best for the European continent, not for Canada, so it would be stupidity to give up any of our sovereignty to them.
It would be rather ironic if Laurentian Canada decides to do something like this, but it would be rather funny for them to finally realize why Western Alienation has existed for over a century.
Intelligent_Read_697 on
people chomping here at the bits to join but completely ignoring the fact that joining would mean free movement of labour as well. Its the whole basis of Brexit.
Ashamed_Still5688 on
I view the people supportive of this the same way I view the 51st staters.
Traitors, all of ya.
Canada forever.
Ghostkeeper85 on
i dream of Timmys in Brussels, still somehow staffed by TFWs from india.
dollarsandcents101 on
Do people realize that we would be giving up more autonomy joining the EU than if we became the 51st state ? So much for elbows up
Vindedly on
I am fully against this idea. We don’t need any more people to tell us how we can live our lives. Especially when they Re on a different continent.
Breaditos on
Checks map. No. We’re not in Europe. Germany isn’t going to invade Canada like it did Poland. We aren’t at risk of a ground invasion from anyone other than the US. If that happens, two oceans will cripple any military assistance, not to mention those strong enough to fight are choosing to ally with a non military power over a global military superpower.
Don’t romanticize the damsel in distress narrative. Canadians need to fix Canada ourselves.
AvecFromage on
EU labour laws and consumer protections would be a gargantuan quality of life improvement for Canadians, which is why corporations would lobby against this, and why it will never happen.
CrazyButRightOn on
We would need 9 European Unions to match the trade we do with the USA.
Let’s smarten the hell up, please, and do everything possible to make CUSMA work.
izza123 on
Absolutely nonsensical
Familiar-Sink-3683 on
Canadians complain about immigrants already. Joining the EU would be 100x worse, from worse countries than India. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea for sure hasn’t traveled to anywhere in Europe recently (Source: spent 2 years living in Spain and Italy)
FromDownBad on
No thanks. No interest in paying into another government body to not benefit from the supply chains, group procurement benefits and also allow the countries buried in migrant issues to push them onto us more freely.
uprightshark on
I would rather be a close EU friend without the red tape of joining.
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No, fuck no.
Makes no sense, canadian federalism already has a ton of issues, adding another layer of govt seems make western alienation and Quebec issues worse
Im not willing unless a more robust mechanism exists to expulse nations. Can’t be in a coalition with Hungary who is literally working against western interests by spying for Russia
Nope. It just doesn’t work for us, not in the way it is commonly portrayed.
Now … a freedom of movement and work agreement? Coupled with closer military ties and the activation of existing economic ties? Absolutely.
But let’s remain our own country. We are just now breaking free from American hegemony, let’s not fall into another no matter how similar they are in outlook (at the moment).
In terms of access to the trade block, sure. I’m not interested in being flooded with higher immigration and refugees again, which I can’t help but think would come with their free movement between members. Our passport already functions pretty well.
Best I can do is a free trade deal with some members of the EU
If you want to be closer to Europe, just move there.
What’s with people’s fetish for giving away Canada’s autonomy?
Lots of comments so far from people who don’t know what the EU does, or purposely for the sake of being bad actors.
Don’t form opinions from comment sections.
How come I have never been polled on anything in my life, and I am in my mid 30s?
No, no and NO! The EU has f’d europe up. The carney is a self-id’d global elite european! We can not afford to get dragged into the shite show that europe finds itself in right now!
AND if anyone thinks that europe will buy Canadian at the expense of its own producers at increased costs due to shipping and the carney’s net zero policies they are delusional!
There is more to be lost than gained by joining the EU. We live in NORTH AMERICA!
In theory it could be great for Canadians.
European labor laws would do a world of good for Canadian workers.
That said in practice, free movement of people would flood Canada faster than Trudeau’s ever tried to.
And it would massively increase tensions between the US and Canada, as there would be a LOT more attempted illegal crossings into the US.
No, thanks. Why the fuck should some European nation that is like 10K km away dictate things happening here in BC for instance? People think these polls imply getting to move to Alicante or Algarve without going through visa hassles and that’s just only one part. The EU comes with its own bureaucratic nightmares that aren’t really relevant to us.
Having some kind of FTA with the EU should be enough to get the benefits of it. And AFAIK, we have a trade agreement with them
ok but like… we aren’t European
Do we not just want to enter into major trade/economic agreements with the EU instead
We’re not even in Europe, how can we possibly even join?
Closer ties like a work agreement or better trade deals I don’t think would be inherently a bad thing, but joining outright?
We are already in many respects. Horizon Europe was a good first connection that will yield some amazing technology in a few years.
Don’t need to formally become part of the EU, but can strengthen various cooperation agreements. I also wouldn’t mind us having certain regulations more inline with EU laws. Food safety, consumer protection, etc.
With our confederation we already have a structure similar to the EU, except where the EU has member countries, we have member provinces.
I’d rather not be required to follow laws and regulations made by an unelected governing body. We’re struggling to lose American influence why would we invite more foreign power into our borders? Especially one that will require major changes of us.
Hell naw
Another unelected body making decisions for Canada?
No thanks.
Uhhh why the fuck would we join the EU? We’re already in the UN. We dont need more government oversight Canada is one of the most ridiculously bloated beurocracies in the world.
Being able to live and work in Europe would be cool, but I don’t think people understand the EU and how joining works. You don’t just sign up one day and then you can move to France if you feel like it — it is a multiyear process that requires EVERYTHING to align to EU laws and standards. That includes trade negotiations (member states negotiate as a bloc), external import tariffs, product labelling, agricultural and fisheries policies, foreign policy, immigration and border security, monetary policy (including likely adopting the euro or pegging CAD to it), food safety, language laws (Quebec wouldn’t be allowed to), labour laws (admittedly better in the EU), environmental regulations, and even more. On top of that, provincial governments would have an obligation to also implement and follow EU laws.
Most of these topic are hotly debated in our country, and we can’t even get our provinces to agree on harmonizing many of these things let alone add a third layer of higher supranational government.
Nope. I’m afraid of commitment. I’d rather keep it casual.
It is hard to believe that anyone could be so naive in relation to geopolitics to think this is a good idea.
Ironically, the issue is a microcosm of Canada’s issues of Western Alienatio. Alberta feels disenfranchised because the voter base that controls Ottawa’s decisions is in the Laurentian Corridor. Because Canada is such a huge country the economic interests of the Laurentian Corridor will never be the same as those of Alberta, because the geography of the two regions is too different.
The EU, of course, is controlled from Brussels, and all its voting nations are on the European continent. They will make the decisions that are best for the European continent, not for Canada, so it would be stupidity to give up any of our sovereignty to them.
It would be rather ironic if Laurentian Canada decides to do something like this, but it would be rather funny for them to finally realize why Western Alienation has existed for over a century.
people chomping here at the bits to join but completely ignoring the fact that joining would mean free movement of labour as well. Its the whole basis of Brexit.
I view the people supportive of this the same way I view the 51st staters.
Traitors, all of ya.
Canada forever.
i dream of Timmys in Brussels, still somehow staffed by TFWs from india.
Do people realize that we would be giving up more autonomy joining the EU than if we became the 51st state ? So much for elbows up
I am fully against this idea. We don’t need any more people to tell us how we can live our lives. Especially when they Re on a different continent.
Checks map. No. We’re not in Europe. Germany isn’t going to invade Canada like it did Poland. We aren’t at risk of a ground invasion from anyone other than the US. If that happens, two oceans will cripple any military assistance, not to mention those strong enough to fight are choosing to ally with a non military power over a global military superpower.
Don’t romanticize the damsel in distress narrative. Canadians need to fix Canada ourselves.
EU labour laws and consumer protections would be a gargantuan quality of life improvement for Canadians, which is why corporations would lobby against this, and why it will never happen.
We would need 9 European Unions to match the trade we do with the USA.
Let’s smarten the hell up, please, and do everything possible to make CUSMA work.
Absolutely nonsensical
Canadians complain about immigrants already. Joining the EU would be 100x worse, from worse countries than India. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea for sure hasn’t traveled to anywhere in Europe recently (Source: spent 2 years living in Spain and Italy)
No thanks. No interest in paying into another government body to not benefit from the supply chains, group procurement benefits and also allow the countries buried in migrant issues to push them onto us more freely.
I would rather be a close EU friend without the red tape of joining.