Is it actually this case or is it just that OpenAI bought OpenClaw and Anthropic want nothing to do with supporting OpenAI?
I’m quite sceptical about it all because I’ve yet to receive any of the notices or emails that are supposedly going out about the usage restrictions.
pipsname on
„How dare the customers get full access to what they paid for.“
No-Contract9167 on
What makes this interesting is that it exposes the pricing-model mismatch more than anything else. Flat subscriptions work fine until a small slice of users turns the product into near-continuous agent infrastructure. At that point the company either raises prices, introduces usage tiers, or starts carving out high-intensity workflows.
The broader takeaway is that consumer chat pricing and agentic automation pricing probably can’t stay bundled forever. They behave like two different products with two very different cost curves.
Aromatic_Ideal_2770 on
Sure pay to play
stikves on
Yes, and this exposes how fragile their cost models are.
The „app“ level APIs have much higher token limits compared to the per request APIs they sell on the market.
I’m paying $10(?) to Gemini, the amount of queries I did would easily cost $100 per month, or more. (I know, because we pay for Claude, which is per request)
So… when people take those App tokens and use elsewhere, they really burn money. And money they don’t ever expect to see a return. At least in their App they sell ads and brand recognition.
(Gemini + AntiGravity has a similar thing. People stole the IDE tokens to use with Claw just to have their accounts banned)
trilobyte-dev on
OpenClaw is really wasteful with tokens, more so than just about any other use case I’ve seen.
zoupishness7 on
I didn’t use OpenClaw, but I think this applies to all agent harnesses. So, I just spent $400, to develop my own harness, that I now can’t afford to use on their platform. Good thing I built in Gemini support.
IntelArtiGen on
I’m not surprised, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not true only for Claude but also for everything we can find online. Most websites did well when most users were humans. When my grandma will be able to scrap 10 websites with a single prompt I’m not sure the internet will support that very well. We will see more paywalls, more „are you a robot?“, etc.
DeadMoneyDrew on
*summoning my inner Ed Zitron*
Is that good? 😊
Lofteed on
that s a funny way to say we cannot scale
jameswdh on
Codex has our back boys. Subscribe back to OpenAi hahaha
hamlet9000 on
Selling „unlimited“ plans that actually have usage limits should be illegal.
k___k___ on
Arent they just enforcing their own TOS? Use cases like openclaw is what your api key is for.
the weird thing with anthropic is only that they have a prepaid api plan and have to be approved for monthly billing.
AdventurousTime on
oc isn’t being a good neighbor
_ii_ on
Usefulness of open-weights models and costs of on-prem inference are converging. If they’re too greedy, they may find themselves losing the mid to low tier token sales to on-prem inference. Many agentic workflows need access to sensitive information, on-prem is going to be attractive for some users.
lol-its-funny on
Here is a concept nobody has heard about. Remember you heard it on Reddit first.
Rate limiting 🤯
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Is it actually this case or is it just that OpenAI bought OpenClaw and Anthropic want nothing to do with supporting OpenAI?
I’m quite sceptical about it all because I’ve yet to receive any of the notices or emails that are supposedly going out about the usage restrictions.
„How dare the customers get full access to what they paid for.“
What makes this interesting is that it exposes the pricing-model mismatch more than anything else. Flat subscriptions work fine until a small slice of users turns the product into near-continuous agent infrastructure. At that point the company either raises prices, introduces usage tiers, or starts carving out high-intensity workflows.
The broader takeaway is that consumer chat pricing and agentic automation pricing probably can’t stay bundled forever. They behave like two different products with two very different cost curves.
Sure pay to play
Yes, and this exposes how fragile their cost models are.
The „app“ level APIs have much higher token limits compared to the per request APIs they sell on the market.
I’m paying $10(?) to Gemini, the amount of queries I did would easily cost $100 per month, or more. (I know, because we pay for Claude, which is per request)
So… when people take those App tokens and use elsewhere, they really burn money. And money they don’t ever expect to see a return. At least in their App they sell ads and brand recognition.
(Gemini + AntiGravity has a similar thing. People stole the IDE tokens to use with Claw just to have their accounts banned)
OpenClaw is really wasteful with tokens, more so than just about any other use case I’ve seen.
I didn’t use OpenClaw, but I think this applies to all agent harnesses. So, I just spent $400, to develop my own harness, that I now can’t afford to use on their platform. Good thing I built in Gemini support.
I’m not surprised, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not true only for Claude but also for everything we can find online. Most websites did well when most users were humans. When my grandma will be able to scrap 10 websites with a single prompt I’m not sure the internet will support that very well. We will see more paywalls, more „are you a robot?“, etc.
*summoning my inner Ed Zitron*
Is that good? 😊
that s a funny way to say we cannot scale
Codex has our back boys. Subscribe back to OpenAi hahaha
Selling „unlimited“ plans that actually have usage limits should be illegal.
Arent they just enforcing their own TOS? Use cases like openclaw is what your api key is for.
the weird thing with anthropic is only that they have a prepaid api plan and have to be approved for monthly billing.
oc isn’t being a good neighbor
Usefulness of open-weights models and costs of on-prem inference are converging. If they’re too greedy, they may find themselves losing the mid to low tier token sales to on-prem inference. Many agentic workflows need access to sensitive information, on-prem is going to be attractive for some users.
Here is a concept nobody has heard about. Remember you heard it on Reddit first.
Rate limiting 🤯