Can we stop demonising young men please and forcing them toward more extreme role models?
More men in the classroom needed too so kids have a positive male authority figure.
LittleSchwein1234 on
That’s what happens when rampant misandry on social media is tolerated. It only leads to the emergence of extremists like Tate who indoctrinate young men with bullshit.
ruggerdubdub on
Tell an impressionable child they’re the devil too often, and they just might become exactly that.
sarasaneil on
I think one of the effects of social media
Robin_Gr on
If you have any friends or family who are teachers you have known this was coming a long time. I have heard some absolute horror stories.
Unhappy-Bullfrog5597 on
Ok let’s put it another way : immigration in UK a ticking time bomb
blackvrocky on
i wonder what religion do majority of them follow?
WasteBinStuff on
>“We have a masculinity crisis brewing in our schools,“
Wrong. You have a fucking stupidity crises.
These boys are fucking assholes, with no self respect, no respect for others, no appropriate role models, shitty parents and face no consequences for their behavior.
Using the word masculinity in the conversation is a cop out. These people fail to meet the basic expectations of civil society.
GuyHamburgers on
Comments here proving this goes beyond male pupils.
lifesanrpg on
The answer is getting more male teachers to serve as positive role models. Why are we so concerned about making sure women are equal in every other career but when it comes to teaching, it’s okay for it to be primarily female dominated. Men need other men to mentor them
Netmould on
I absolutely blame parents for that. Or (to be precise) a society evolving too fast for our societal/parental norms to adjust.
IncidentSome4403 on
This is a crisis that has been brought on by poor parenting. Instead of constructively engaging with their kids or encouraging them to nurture their imagination and creativity to entertain themselves, parents are perfectly happy to just shove a screen in their faces.
This has led to younger and younger kids being exposed to extremist content online. Most parents don’t even bother with parental controls and even when they do, kids will always find a way around them.
Fixing this problem starts with treating social media and excessive childhood screen time like the fucking carcinogen that it is.
xXZer0c0oLXx on
Quit gaslighting boys and men…tired of these lies and hit pieces.
JeffDunham911 on
Masculinity needs to be embraced but in a healthy manner, not outright rejected and demonised.
Substantial_Pop3104 on
I can’t remember the last time I heard anything related to masculinity and it being a good thing. It’s only negative.
Chunky_Monkey4491 on
Unsurprising when one gender is uplifted and celebrated over another by the state. The boys end up looking for role models or cultures that offer inclusion. Boys feel like outcasts and the UK gov have no idea how to tackle it.
Mesiya90 on
Just like racism, this is a problem that has „inexplicably“ gotten worse over the last 15-20 years of the entire culture deciding that these issues are the no.1 priority in every aspect of life.
I know the solution, let’s stamp down harder.
Tezzybear on
Maybe its the change of demographics of these pupils from cultures where women come second could be a problem.
hadawayandshite on
My take:
First; There isn’t anything inherently toxic about masculinity, there are traits which CAN be toxic-or they can not be. It’s all about intensity.
Being competitive or trying to take charge can be good…but they can also be bad. It depends on the person, the situation and so on (e.g assuming by you should be in charge and deferred to automatically despite others having just as much knowledge and skill as you)….and how much they try to apply their views onto others. (And example is my wife has been watching MAFS and there was a guy saying his wife is too masculine because she has a career and he as a man should be the dominant one in the relationship), I’d personally not put that down to his masculinity but rather say he was a C-word…but I can see that belief would be more prevalent in men
Men and women can both show these toxic traits—-it might be possible that men show some traits more than women (and vice versa) due to either inherent differences or socialisation (but both sexes have all of the traits- the different within sex is greater than between sexes as always)
Now- it makes sense that these ‘toxic traits’ more associated with masculinity be labelled as ‘toxic masculinity’ and be tackled but the label and the discussion causes problems due to it being a compound adjective which ends up with the idea of ‘toxicity’ being applied to much of masculinity rather than just the ‘toxic bits’
It’s possible that we want to prioritise changing ‘toxic masculinity’ because it’s more prevalent or more damaging than ‘toxic femininity’—either in prevalence or impact
Humans are complicated both as individuals and in groups, even if people mean positive things by tackling toxic masculinity they can do it in a haphazard or hamfisted way which makes some parts of the situation better and others worse
What’s important is teaching young people (male and female) to identify ‘toxic’ elements in their own behaviour- how to spot those exploiting their weaknesses and how to self-improve…..but that’s a lot to put on schools, it needs to start at home. However we have flawed people (as we all are) raising more flawed people and stuff like ubiquity of social media and influencers isn’t going to help
Darkone539 on
Maybe a decade of telling young boys they are a problem has backfired?
I didn’t learn to he respectful until I left school. The lack of male role models and the constantly being told men were the problem genuinely hurt me. I was just lucky and I went down this rabbit hole.
I was lucky, I had good role models outside of school. I got shown how the real world worked. Not some bs anti male conspiracy that youtube would have convinced me of, or school telling me I am toxic.
I admit, I may have just got to a shit school. A lot of my city have similar situations. We need more male teachers and role models. Along with real consequences for the really bad issues rather than a light touch we seem to be using.
RandyMuscle on
My partner is a teacher. There are students who will not listen to her simply because she’s a woman. There’s not really a mechanism to deal with that.
FisherKelTath00 on
So the Adolescence series was spot-on then.
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Can we stop demonising young men please and forcing them toward more extreme role models?
More men in the classroom needed too so kids have a positive male authority figure.
That’s what happens when rampant misandry on social media is tolerated. It only leads to the emergence of extremists like Tate who indoctrinate young men with bullshit.
Tell an impressionable child they’re the devil too often, and they just might become exactly that.
I think one of the effects of social media
If you have any friends or family who are teachers you have known this was coming a long time. I have heard some absolute horror stories.
Ok let’s put it another way : immigration in UK a ticking time bomb
i wonder what religion do majority of them follow?
>“We have a masculinity crisis brewing in our schools,“
Wrong. You have a fucking stupidity crises.
These boys are fucking assholes, with no self respect, no respect for others, no appropriate role models, shitty parents and face no consequences for their behavior.
Using the word masculinity in the conversation is a cop out. These people fail to meet the basic expectations of civil society.
Comments here proving this goes beyond male pupils.
The answer is getting more male teachers to serve as positive role models. Why are we so concerned about making sure women are equal in every other career but when it comes to teaching, it’s okay for it to be primarily female dominated. Men need other men to mentor them
I absolutely blame parents for that. Or (to be precise) a society evolving too fast for our societal/parental norms to adjust.
This is a crisis that has been brought on by poor parenting. Instead of constructively engaging with their kids or encouraging them to nurture their imagination and creativity to entertain themselves, parents are perfectly happy to just shove a screen in their faces.
This has led to younger and younger kids being exposed to extremist content online. Most parents don’t even bother with parental controls and even when they do, kids will always find a way around them.
Fixing this problem starts with treating social media and excessive childhood screen time like the fucking carcinogen that it is.
Quit gaslighting boys and men…tired of these lies and hit pieces.
Masculinity needs to be embraced but in a healthy manner, not outright rejected and demonised.
I can’t remember the last time I heard anything related to masculinity and it being a good thing. It’s only negative.
Unsurprising when one gender is uplifted and celebrated over another by the state. The boys end up looking for role models or cultures that offer inclusion. Boys feel like outcasts and the UK gov have no idea how to tackle it.
Just like racism, this is a problem that has „inexplicably“ gotten worse over the last 15-20 years of the entire culture deciding that these issues are the no.1 priority in every aspect of life.
I know the solution, let’s stamp down harder.
Maybe its the change of demographics of these pupils from cultures where women come second could be a problem.
My take:
First; There isn’t anything inherently toxic about masculinity, there are traits which CAN be toxic-or they can not be. It’s all about intensity.
Being competitive or trying to take charge can be good…but they can also be bad. It depends on the person, the situation and so on (e.g assuming by you should be in charge and deferred to automatically despite others having just as much knowledge and skill as you)….and how much they try to apply their views onto others. (And example is my wife has been watching MAFS and there was a guy saying his wife is too masculine because she has a career and he as a man should be the dominant one in the relationship), I’d personally not put that down to his masculinity but rather say he was a C-word…but I can see that belief would be more prevalent in men
Men and women can both show these toxic traits—-it might be possible that men show some traits more than women (and vice versa) due to either inherent differences or socialisation (but both sexes have all of the traits- the different within sex is greater than between sexes as always)
Now- it makes sense that these ‘toxic traits’ more associated with masculinity be labelled as ‘toxic masculinity’ and be tackled but the label and the discussion causes problems due to it being a compound adjective which ends up with the idea of ‘toxicity’ being applied to much of masculinity rather than just the ‘toxic bits’
It’s possible that we want to prioritise changing ‘toxic masculinity’ because it’s more prevalent or more damaging than ‘toxic femininity’—either in prevalence or impact
Humans are complicated both as individuals and in groups, even if people mean positive things by tackling toxic masculinity they can do it in a haphazard or hamfisted way which makes some parts of the situation better and others worse
What’s important is teaching young people (male and female) to identify ‘toxic’ elements in their own behaviour- how to spot those exploiting their weaknesses and how to self-improve…..but that’s a lot to put on schools, it needs to start at home. However we have flawed people (as we all are) raising more flawed people and stuff like ubiquity of social media and influencers isn’t going to help
Maybe a decade of telling young boys they are a problem has backfired?
I didn’t learn to he respectful until I left school. The lack of male role models and the constantly being told men were the problem genuinely hurt me. I was just lucky and I went down this rabbit hole.
I was lucky, I had good role models outside of school. I got shown how the real world worked. Not some bs anti male conspiracy that youtube would have convinced me of, or school telling me I am toxic.
I admit, I may have just got to a shit school. A lot of my city have similar situations. We need more male teachers and role models. Along with real consequences for the really bad issues rather than a light touch we seem to be using.
My partner is a teacher. There are students who will not listen to her simply because she’s a woman. There’s not really a mechanism to deal with that.
So the Adolescence series was spot-on then.