Das neue Gesetz richtet sich gegen Männer, die Frauen in der Öffentlichkeit belästigen
https://news.sky.com/video/the-new-law-targeting-men-who-harass-women-in-public-13526461
Von winkwinknudge_nudge
Das neue Gesetz richtet sich gegen Männer, die Frauen in der Öffentlichkeit belästigen
https://news.sky.com/video/the-new-law-targeting-men-who-harass-women-in-public-13526461
Von winkwinknudge_nudge
26 Kommentare
I’m here for it, but I hope to see it applied equally not just against specific groups.
I think it’s going to be really hard to successfully prosecute someone under this but I’m for having sex on the same level as race or sexuality when considering aggravating factors in harassment.
A law that protects women from harassment is itself a good thing but let’s not forget that there are already laws that protect women from harassment that aren’t being enforced.
How are they possibly going to enforce this?
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Would be solved within a few months if they changed the legal definition of entrapment to be ‚if the crime would have also taken place if it were a member of the public there instead of an undercover police operative‘.
Then have plain clothes police to walk around hot spots for this type of thing, with a camera and a squad hidden away nearby to nick anyone caught doing it.
There should also be a reasonable defence to stop people shouting abuse anytime someone talks to them in public, as a loud minority of folk would do.
Something like ‚if someone tells you no, thank you to engage in conversation in public a third time then a law had been broken‘. So you’re not outlawing public conversation, or someone misunderstanding/mishearing the first ’no, thanks‘. You’re outlawing pestering someone and thereby making them feel unsafe.
I hope this would also apply to women harassing men too, not just one way around.
So someone sat next to Jess Philips on a train and did nothing and she felt harassed by that?
No wonder no one meets someone else in a traditional sense anymore since now anyone who even looks at someone and smiles can be accused of ‚deliberate harassment‘ amd jailed, wtf
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2 minutes of video that doesn’t actually tell you what the legislation is.
I wonder who will benefit from this apart from Jess Phillips.
Right, I haven’t read the law, but the example that the MP gave in the video was someone sitting next to her on an empty train. Maybe that’s harassment, but I’m wondering how this is going to be meaningfully dinstinct from just… sitting on a train.
I’m sure the law probably has some extra details to it, but the story she gave in this clip – a man sitting next to her on a train, not even following her speaking to her or anything – is not a scenario I’d like to see become illegal.
Good. Now they can tackle domestic violence and misogyny/sexual harassment in the police and army
I had a friend who she left London over the Sarah everard stuff because of the experiences she had working in a hostel at night but also lack of trust with the police as well
One thing I’ve seen with these laws is that they’re very broad and it’s almost like specific situations of flagrant abuse are just not having much done about it.
If we want to move beyond performative towards helpful trust needs to be established in a competent non abusive police force and then the community outreach and other social contact contract type stuff can begin, along with counsellors mental health all the things to do the hard preventative work along with the punitive and rehabilitative work as well.
I love how a lot of the people in here can’t decide if this is bad for supposedly ‚targeting‘ men and boys, or if it’s good because they assume it will mostly affect Muslims.
You could have just got up and moved Jess. I feel like she loves the sound of her own voice whilst pretend to champion women.
The sitting on a train example is a really weird take.
I travel a lot at peak times and get more filthy looks for sitting next to someone, not because there are loads of empty seats, but because the empty seat is next to them or heaven forbid they needed to move their bag.
My wife has even witnessed it and said to be when out of earshot “she gave you a filthy look for no reason”
Hoping any new law stops the need to view innocent people as someone to throw evils at
The problem is not the lack of laws. The problem is the lack of enforcement
why not just make harassing people in public illegal? you know, in general, regardless of who does it and who its aimed at?
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Coming from the woman that voted against having an inquiry into the grooming gangs…
If you do then i will never talk to a woman again. All they have to do is scream harrassment, And i would get done. I could just sit next to you on the train. Then call it harrassment.
There’s already laws that protect women from harassment? How are they suppose to enforce these new ones?
On the surface, this sounds a laudable idea, but. There are already laws to protect women, men and everyone in-between from harassment. Those laws are often not enforced well enough as it is, unless they actually fund more police, I dont see how this new law will change anything. This feels like performative politics.
What about the women that look a bit like or might have been born men? I thought the law says we now have to harass them when they need to piss…
Another law to not be enforced except when it’s politically convenient. How about we minimize the number of laws and focus on actually enforcing laws instead.
If done right this law in theory should be good (even though there was already a law about this), I’ve had to walk a friend to the bus for the last week before the holidays as she’s getting harassed by a creep on the way to college and where we live there are a lot of parks and isolated spots that she could’ve been dragged off to, but as a man this makes me think we should be protecting ourselves against false accusations by recording ourselves everytime we go out