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    Microsoft plant 100 % native Windows 11-Apps und damit eine deutliche Abkehr von Web-Wrappern

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    2. braunyakka on

      I see we’re back at the „we’re gonna rewrite the apps to make them work“ part of the Windows bullshit cycle.

    3. Odysseyan on

      So from Mail and Calendar to Outlook, then we went to outlook(new) just to then go back to Outlook again.

      I appreciate native apps and prefer them but the way they go about it, man

    5. SimiKusoni on

      As somebody that switched to Linux I think it’s good that MS seem to be addressing the long standing issues with their OS.

      That said talk is cheap and they already have a plethora of GUI frameworks in various states of decay, it’s pretty easy to imagine this ending up as them just chucking another one on the pile. It’s also pretty clear from their sudden laser focus that they’ve known exactly what issues should be a priority for a long time, and just opted not to address them.

    6. mascotbeaver104 on

      I’m not even going to consider going back to windows until every current member of leadership is gone and they have radically overhauled their culture. There are so many „features“ in 11 that just smell like middle managers wanting to have their name on something. Why did we replace the right click menu with a worse version of itself that you need to click through to get to the old, functional one? Likely so some idiot could list it as a bulletpoint and claim a KPI was met.

      „Native“ rewrites are meaningless as long as we’re still changing things without obvious benefit to the user. Was the start menu launching an electron app ridiculous? Yes. Any solution to that which does not begin with a top down leadership overhaul is meaningless, it will just be shit again.

      I’m so glad I don’t need to use Windows for work anymore. I don’t love the windowing system on MacOS, but like, at least I can compile C in a sane way now _and_ use basic office/productivity tools without going into dependency hell like on Linux. Until there’s some competition that can do that, I’m buying apple stock.

    7. ayymadd on

      Can tech people explain the advantage of this strategy from a user experience POV?

    8. Forrest319 on

      The guy in the tweet used to make all the Windows Phone apps that didn’t have official clients when he was an independent dev (e.g. Instagram). Cool to see him still doing work on Windows.

    9. nauhausco on

      I wonder if part of this initiative is to gate new features so that they can stop the bleeding from those switching.

      Having all their apps as web wrappers means anybody could switch to Mac or Linux and not actually need a windows PC anymore. Now that competition is kicking their ass while windows gets shittier are they trying to do away with that to lock people in again…?

    10. Huzah7 on

      Good luck Micro$lop – you’ll need it. Your AI isn’t going to do it for you. 

    11. great_whitehope on

      Guess they worked out web wrapper is piece of piss to get going on Linux too

    14. lovemotorcycles on

      „There’s never time to do it right but always time to do it over“

    16. SnoopsBadunkadunk on

      So, they found other ways to lock the user in and plunder their data? They don’t have to insist on onedrive&saas now that they have copilot?

    17. e1epi on

      Huh, sounds like after all of us telling them we are not liking what they are turning Windows into and that we are going to leave and go elsewhere that the MacBook Neo finally got to them.

    18. J4nG on

      I’m gonna assume no one in this comment thread read the article –

      This reporting is based off a single tweet from an IC at Microsoft who is working on Store and File Explorer which are both already native applications. This is not a shift away from anything. The amount of speculation in an article from that amount of information is inexcusable.

      On a different note, you use way more web apps day-to-day than you think. The difference is the good ones (e.g. Slack, Discord) run just fine and so you don’t notice or care. Native is not an automatic fix button for performance or usability – good app development is possible on many different platforms and a lot of the time web technologies are still a great choice for the job.

    19. kiliandj on

      Thank christ.
      They are finally starting to see the light at at least one front where they have been failing at.

    20. randomman87 on

      If they’re being installed as appx packages that’ll still be their downfall. Every year I get asked by InfoSec to patch them. Every year I tell them MS says it’s secret sauce and they should patch on their own. Every year InfoSec asks me to hack apart the OS to remove the vuln or update the appx package. 

    22. SCP-iota on

      I guess they wanted to hog all that RAM at the datacenters instead of in hundreds of WebView processes

    23. crakinshot on

      Not like microsoft to invent another Application framework…

      Visual Studio guys having to maintain win32, wpf, xaml, forms, aspnet, etc, etc… must genuinely hate the other teams making new frameworks. 😀

    25. ivecompletelylostit on

      I guess everyone I know who refused to use new outlook won in the long run

    27. Cuddlejam on

      If they can make a proper Microsoft Project I am all for it. It’s disgusting how much they’ve neglected it.

    28. applemasher on

      This is great! Ever since windows 8. It has always felt just like 2 different experiences. Even settings is like half in the control panel and half in a settings app. It’s about time they clean that mess up.

    29. Liquid_Magic on

      Okay so I recently tried making some native windows Win3 apps. Guess what? You HAVE to put them in the Microsoft store OR buy your own cert. like I can’t just make an installer and put it on my store to sell it as a download. Or my GitHub. I need to use the Microsoft store or pay a buttload to buy my cert that I’ll eventually need to renew.

      Okay look I get security but it’s bullshit. It’s just bullshit. There should be a non-fuckme way of doing this.

      If there is and I’m just new to trying to make and sell my own little windows app that’s now a win32 old school app then please let me know.

    31. CageyT on

      So I love the fix for windows 11 is just going back to windows 10. 10 bucks says the windows 11 updates is just a repackage windows 10

    33. blackcoffee17 on

      A trillion dollar company had to switch to web apps because did not have enough resources to develop the native apps…

    34. colako on

      Honestly Microsoft needs to pull an Apple and create a new Windows version based on BSD with their own gui layer and forget about compatibility. The OS is so broken trying to support hardware and software that it’s incredibly old. The registry sucks, control panel and settings are a mess. 

    37. PaulCoddington on

      Good news, but one marvels at how they could have thought having them in the first place was a good idea.

      A production OS should not be a sandbox for playing about with potentially harmful, improperly assessed and tested experiments.

    38. HighDrive2RightField on

      And by the time they are ready to deploy Windows 12 AI enhanced will launch

    39. pogkaku96 on

      These are the things that I want
      1. Remove all bloatware like express vpn, video editing tools, mcafee, Candy crush etc.
      2. Fix the freaking fonts. Its 2026!! The font size and sharpness are so inconsistent across different win32 apps and native apps. I need 125% scaling for one app while 100% on another.
      3. Option to opt out of copilot and one drive auto sync
      4. Why the heck do we still need multiple restarts after an OS update. Are we still in 1998? Other OS need exactly one and some don’t even need one.
      5. No popup ads on the right corner.
      6. Strict policy preventing OEMs from installing shitty stuff. Like who uses HP cloud?

    40. zippy72 on

      Great. Start with the start and task bar which is written in React Native, for some reason.

    41. ScornThreadDotExe on

      Microsoft going native is like a deadbeat dad coming home after ten years with a loaf of bread and expecting a „Father of the Year“ trophy. Nice effort, but we still remember when you left us for a JavaScript framework.

    42. CharcoalGreyWolf on

      The more things go forward into the stupid, the more they reel back when people tell the “visionaries” they’re being stupid.

      But not until the stock prices have reeled enough that the shareholders tell the visionaries “You must be being stupid because we’re losing money”.

    43. Any-Ball-7159 on

      Let’s chill the fuck out and fix “new” outlook first.

      Oh fuck – I just realized – I’m getting a new work laptop this year….and there’s a strong chance they won’t let me keep the native outlook. 🙁

    44. NV-Nautilus on

      This is a bad omen. Next week the headline will be „maybe webapp wrapper life was a bad idea, and you should change your passwords.“

    45. nevadita on

      i love how they are so scared they are promising a bunch of things but havent materialize anything.

    46. ash_ninetyone on

      Back to native Teams it is. The web app one borks sometimes bad with some of the holds sent out for some reason and the only way to join those is by using the password and meeting ID

    47. amazing_asstronaut on

      There is NO reason why Microsoft Windows apps should be web wrapper bullshit, they are meant for a desktop PC and only that. They even made their own frameworks to do all that.

    48. yubsnubs on

      Have they gotten rid of the moronic chip requirement so I can finally upgrade Windows 10 as well or am I asking for too much?

    50. ChipsAhoy2022 on

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      At this point many of Microslop’s Windows leadership should be fired

      Wasting massive and invaluable dev effort, company resources and causing PR nightmare with financial repercussions for the company

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