Operation „let someone else do our dirty work for us“ as a working title probably didn’t instill a lot of confidence
fuggitdude22 on
In retrospect, this is for the better. The State Department has a long history of backstabbing Kurds left and right. From the Treaty of Sevres, Iraqi-Kurdish War, after the first Gulf War, after the second Gulf War (they promised them national sovereignty just to enable Turkey to invade Iraq), the Kirkuk Crisis (2017) and again in Syria (2019).
Edit: Mixed up treaties.
neontetra1548 on
Sir, the regional actors refuse to be massacred for Israel and Trump.
tecdaz on
Routine Trump outcome
Kranken_DeHogge on
>The TV report said that Israel’s Mossad spy agency had been working on the plan for years, citing foreign reports that the Mossad and CIA have long been arming the Kurds, and said Mossad chief David Barnea had presented it to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and discussed it in Washington DC in the run-up to the war.
The Kurds took US/Israeli weapons and then said „nah, I don’t think we wanna do this“
Good for them.
intricate_strands on
They can include leaks all they want, we all know it had nothing to do with leaks and everything to do with the USA using the Kurds and fucking them over repeatedly before this war.
DrMacAndDog on
Why would the Kurds trust them?
ZealousidealLie9249 on
Who would trust the orange clown?
SeraphOfTheStart on
Turkey’s response was main reason if I’m correct, Turkish intelligence receives information from Kurdish agents in Kurdish community that US plans for a Kurdish invasion of Iran, since any functioning Kurdish owned government with lands to call as their own is viewed as a threat, (especially that close to borders) Turkey then responded by saying that they will also take military action if Kurds are mobilized, so US kinda shelved it for now. To me it’s a very dumb approach to use Kurds, Turkish intelligence was trained by CIA and remains and active intelligence sharing ally, and military have very close ties with American military since even SAT commandos of Turkey were trained by American military personnel, worst thing you can do is to alienate an ally that has first hand experience of your military and intelligence structure themselves.
Foreign-Chocolate86 on
Everyone thinks the Kurds are one amorphous monolith of super ethnic fighters, ignoring that there are a number of regional and sub-regional differences between groups of Kurds with century-long beefs running between villages only a dozen miles from each other.
WasteBinStuff on
That’s just fucking outrageous!
The Kurds are supposed to support us with their outstanding military skills and devoted loyalty, and we’re supposed to offer promises and then abandon them to their fate when we’re done with them! That’s how it’s _supposed_ to work! That’s how it’s _always_ worked! How the hell are we expected to get anything done in the Middle East without the help of Kurds to betray? Fuck!
imanchats on
Forcing the Kurds into this conflict?!
Distinct_Cup_1598 on
Who would‘ve guessed that treachery would one day fall back on the US?
TriscuitCracker on
Reeeeeally can’t blame the Kurds on this one. Why on Earth would they trust US and Israel?
BoringEntropist on
As far as I’m informed the Iranian Kurds don’t have much appetite for joining the fight. They might not like the Mullahs regime that much, but a working Iranian state provides some protection from Turkish intervention.
I_am_BrokenCog on
I was talking with my son about how we gave Iraqi’s lies and promises about „help“ and „immigration to the US“ and „protection“ and the other bullshit which they took as genuine offers.
The American people are stupid enough to fall for the same tricks: „burn me twice … come back daddy“ is more American than apple pie.
But, most people in the world are not that gullible nor stupid.
beekeeper1981 on
Sounds as bad as Russia’s intelligence and investments corrupting Ukraine, making the Kremlin believe they would win within weeks. Mossad supposedly had been seriously working in Iran to enable the collapse of the regime after starting the war. Neither of these plans seem strategically accurate. This is a major failure of Israeli and American leadership.
The_Great_Dadvid on
Interesting
Little-Carpenter4443 on
kind of reminds me of that scene in movies where they all point the guns at one another in a circle
batwing71 on
Distrust?! Really! Who would’ve thought! /s
UselessInsight on
We betrayed the Kurds in Iraq and Syria. Why would they trust us in Iran?
This is what Trump’s (sh)Art of the Deal bullshit gets us – no one trusts us.
Spiritual-Pear-1349 on
Considering the US already abandoned them once this year to massive effect, yeah I dont blame them.
FunctionalGray on
Every able bodied male in the US who voted for this should be signing up: willing to sacrifice themselves for the oil barons and their orange god. Where ya’ll at?
Dookie120 on
Distrust as in Kurds not wanting to get the carpet pulled from underneath them again? Tbh how could they trust ANY US admin let alone one run by an infamous corrupt back stabber
oforfucksake on
Always got to fuck with the Kurds.
Key-Monk6159 on
The Kurds have been betrayed at least all the way back to Nixon.
DistanceToEmpty on
Trump is getting ready to aimlessly wonder away from this war and everyone knows it. Good for the Kurds for not getting burned for a ~~2nd3rd4th7th~~8th time since WW1.
SigSweet on
Good for the Kurds. You can’t trust USreal. Took their weapons and peaced out.
tismschism on
„No Whey“
-Kurds 2026
ForgingIron on
I imagine the Kurds don’t want to get sold out by foreign powers for like the seventh time
FlyLikeATachyon on
They really can’t do anything right.
LeftLane4PassingOnly on
If Trump knows, others know. The dude can’t keep a secret.
Affectionate-Tip-164 on
Why would the kurds even believe them again?
letsseeitmore on
Kurds need to tell tRump to get fucked. He left them to get slaughtered before.
AccordingInsect3481 on
Kurds made the right choice.
Canadian_Kartoffel on
> Amid all of this, the Kurds themselves expressed wariness about their prospects against the Iranian regime, as well as about Washington’s reliability. They began demanding “political guarantees” as opposed to just military support, the report said.
> The concern came after recent events in Syria, where the US relied on Kurdish fighters to defeat the Islamic State group in the country’s civil war only for Trump to back new president Ahmed al-Sharaa’s offensive to take over Kurdish-held areas and re-integrate them into the central state.
I guess being a traitor to former allies doesn’t always work out.
SnozberryTheMighty on
Do yourself a favor and look at „A Clean Break“. All the wars in the middle east of er the past 25 years will start making sense. We are Isreals little bitches apparently.
Eddiebaby7 on
The same Kurds that Trump abandoned on the battlefield during his first term? Good for them.
ZincLloyd on
Also because it was a stupid as fuck idea.
“Hey, ethnic minority. How about you try to overthrow a government in a country where you make up 10% of the population. “
Zephyr_Dragon49 on
After what we did to them, the distrust is warranted and they shouldn’t partner with us ever again
Nomanodyssey on
Trump sucks at this, guess he shouldn’t have bailed on the Kurds years ago
siouxbee1434 on
Why would the Kurds trust this administration?
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Operation „let someone else do our dirty work for us“ as a working title probably didn’t instill a lot of confidence
In retrospect, this is for the better. The State Department has a long history of backstabbing Kurds left and right. From the Treaty of Sevres, Iraqi-Kurdish War, after the first Gulf War, after the second Gulf War (they promised them national sovereignty just to enable Turkey to invade Iraq), the Kirkuk Crisis (2017) and again in Syria (2019).
Edit: Mixed up treaties.
Sir, the regional actors refuse to be massacred for Israel and Trump.
Routine Trump outcome
>The TV report said that Israel’s Mossad spy agency had been working on the plan for years, citing foreign reports that the Mossad and CIA have long been arming the Kurds, and said Mossad chief David Barnea had presented it to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and discussed it in Washington DC in the run-up to the war.
The Kurds took US/Israeli weapons and then said „nah, I don’t think we wanna do this“
Good for them.
They can include leaks all they want, we all know it had nothing to do with leaks and everything to do with the USA using the Kurds and fucking them over repeatedly before this war.
Why would the Kurds trust them?
Who would trust the orange clown?
Turkey’s response was main reason if I’m correct, Turkish intelligence receives information from Kurdish agents in Kurdish community that US plans for a Kurdish invasion of Iran, since any functioning Kurdish owned government with lands to call as their own is viewed as a threat, (especially that close to borders) Turkey then responded by saying that they will also take military action if Kurds are mobilized, so US kinda shelved it for now. To me it’s a very dumb approach to use Kurds, Turkish intelligence was trained by CIA and remains and active intelligence sharing ally, and military have very close ties with American military since even SAT commandos of Turkey were trained by American military personnel, worst thing you can do is to alienate an ally that has first hand experience of your military and intelligence structure themselves.
Everyone thinks the Kurds are one amorphous monolith of super ethnic fighters, ignoring that there are a number of regional and sub-regional differences between groups of Kurds with century-long beefs running between villages only a dozen miles from each other.
That’s just fucking outrageous!
The Kurds are supposed to support us with their outstanding military skills and devoted loyalty, and we’re supposed to offer promises and then abandon them to their fate when we’re done with them! That’s how it’s _supposed_ to work! That’s how it’s _always_ worked! How the hell are we expected to get anything done in the Middle East without the help of Kurds to betray? Fuck!
Forcing the Kurds into this conflict?!
Who would‘ve guessed that treachery would one day fall back on the US?
Reeeeeally can’t blame the Kurds on this one. Why on Earth would they trust US and Israel?
As far as I’m informed the Iranian Kurds don’t have much appetite for joining the fight. They might not like the Mullahs regime that much, but a working Iranian state provides some protection from Turkish intervention.
I was talking with my son about how we gave Iraqi’s lies and promises about „help“ and „immigration to the US“ and „protection“ and the other bullshit which they took as genuine offers.
The American people are stupid enough to fall for the same tricks: „burn me twice … come back daddy“ is more American than apple pie.
But, most people in the world are not that gullible nor stupid.
Sounds as bad as Russia’s intelligence and investments corrupting Ukraine, making the Kremlin believe they would win within weeks. Mossad supposedly had been seriously working in Iran to enable the collapse of the regime after starting the war. Neither of these plans seem strategically accurate. This is a major failure of Israeli and American leadership.
Interesting
kind of reminds me of that scene in movies where they all point the guns at one another in a circle
Distrust?! Really! Who would’ve thought! /s
We betrayed the Kurds in Iraq and Syria. Why would they trust us in Iran?
This is what Trump’s (sh)Art of the Deal bullshit gets us – no one trusts us.
Considering the US already abandoned them once this year to massive effect, yeah I dont blame them.
Every able bodied male in the US who voted for this should be signing up: willing to sacrifice themselves for the oil barons and their orange god. Where ya’ll at?
Distrust as in Kurds not wanting to get the carpet pulled from underneath them again? Tbh how could they trust ANY US admin let alone one run by an infamous corrupt back stabber
Always got to fuck with the Kurds.
The Kurds have been betrayed at least all the way back to Nixon.
Trump is getting ready to aimlessly wonder away from this war and everyone knows it. Good for the Kurds for not getting burned for a ~~2nd3rd4th7th~~8th time since WW1.
Good for the Kurds. You can’t trust USreal. Took their weapons and peaced out.
„No Whey“
-Kurds 2026
I imagine the Kurds don’t want to get sold out by foreign powers for like the seventh time
They really can’t do anything right.
If Trump knows, others know. The dude can’t keep a secret.
Why would the kurds even believe them again?
Kurds need to tell tRump to get fucked. He left them to get slaughtered before.
Kurds made the right choice.
> Amid all of this, the Kurds themselves expressed wariness about their prospects against the Iranian regime, as well as about Washington’s reliability. They began demanding “political guarantees” as opposed to just military support, the report said.
> The concern came after recent events in Syria, where the US relied on Kurdish fighters to defeat the Islamic State group in the country’s civil war only for Trump to back new president Ahmed al-Sharaa’s offensive to take over Kurdish-held areas and re-integrate them into the central state.
I guess being a traitor to former allies doesn’t always work out.
Do yourself a favor and look at „A Clean Break“. All the wars in the middle east of er the past 25 years will start making sense. We are Isreals little bitches apparently.
The same Kurds that Trump abandoned on the battlefield during his first term? Good for them.
Also because it was a stupid as fuck idea.
“Hey, ethnic minority. How about you try to overthrow a government in a country where you make up 10% of the population. “
After what we did to them, the distrust is warranted and they shouldn’t partner with us ever again
Trump sucks at this, guess he shouldn’t have bailed on the Kurds years ago
Why would the Kurds trust this administration?