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    Der amerikanisch-israelische Plan für eine kurdische Invasion im Iran scheiterte Berichten zufolge aufgrund von Leaks und Misstrauen


    Der amerikanisch-israelische Plan für eine kurdische Invasion im Iran scheiterte Berichten zufolge aufgrund von Leaks und Misstrauen

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israeli-plan-for-kurdish-invasion-of-iran-reportedly-collapsed-amid-leaks-distrust/

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    1. agha0013 on

      Operation „let someone else do our dirty work for us“ as a working title probably didn’t instill a lot of confidence

    2. fuggitdude22 on

      In retrospect, this is for the better. The State Department has a long history of backstabbing Kurds left and right. From the Treaty of Sevres, Iraqi-Kurdish War, after the first Gulf War, after the second Gulf War (they promised them national sovereignty just to enable Turkey to invade Iraq), the Kirkuk Crisis (2017) and again in Syria (2019).

      Edit: Mixed up treaties.

    5. Kranken_DeHogge on

      >The TV report said that Israel’s Mossad spy agency had been working on the plan for years, citing foreign reports that the Mossad and CIA have long been arming the Kurds, and said Mossad chief David Barnea had presented it to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and discussed it in Washington DC in the run-up to the war.

      The Kurds took US/Israeli weapons and then said „nah, I don’t think we wanna do this“

      Good for them.

    6. intricate_strands on

      They can include leaks all they want, we all know it had nothing to do with leaks and everything to do with the USA using the Kurds and fucking them over repeatedly before this war.

    9. SeraphOfTheStart on

      Turkey’s response was main reason if I’m correct, Turkish intelligence receives information from Kurdish agents in Kurdish community that US plans for a Kurdish invasion of Iran, since any functioning Kurdish owned government with lands to call as their own is viewed as a threat, (especially that close to borders) Turkey then responded by saying that they will also take military action if Kurds are mobilized, so US kinda shelved it for now. To me it’s a very dumb approach to use Kurds, Turkish intelligence was trained by CIA and remains and active intelligence sharing ally, and military have very close ties with American military since even SAT commandos of Turkey were trained by American military personnel, worst thing you can do is to alienate an ally that has first hand experience of your military and intelligence structure themselves.

    10. Foreign-Chocolate86 on

      Everyone thinks the Kurds are one amorphous monolith of super ethnic fighters, ignoring that there are a number of regional and sub-regional differences between groups of Kurds with century-long beefs running between villages only a dozen miles from each other.

    11. WasteBinStuff on

      That’s just fucking outrageous!

      The Kurds are supposed to support us with their outstanding military skills and devoted loyalty, and we’re supposed to offer promises and then abandon them to their fate when we’re done with them! That’s how it’s _supposed_ to work! That’s how it’s _always_ worked! How the hell are we expected to get anything done in the Middle East without the help of Kurds to betray? Fuck!

    13. Distinct_Cup_1598 on

      Who would‘ve guessed that treachery would one day fall back on the US?

    14. TriscuitCracker on

      Reeeeeally can’t blame the Kurds on this one. Why on Earth would they trust US and Israel?

    15. BoringEntropist on

      As far as I’m informed the Iranian Kurds don’t have much appetite for joining the fight. They might not like the Mullahs regime that much, but a working Iranian state provides some protection from Turkish intervention. 

    16. I_am_BrokenCog on

      I was talking with my son about how we gave Iraqi’s lies and promises about „help“ and „immigration to the US“ and „protection“ and the other bullshit which they took as genuine offers.

      The American people are stupid enough to fall for the same tricks: „burn me twice … come back daddy“ is more American than apple pie.

      But, most people in the world are not that gullible nor stupid.

    17. beekeeper1981 on

      Sounds as bad as Russia’s intelligence and investments corrupting Ukraine, making the Kremlin believe they would win within weeks. Mossad supposedly had been seriously working in Iran to enable the collapse of the regime after starting the war. Neither of these plans seem strategically accurate. This is a major failure of Israeli and American leadership.

    19. Little-Carpenter4443 on

      kind of reminds me of that scene in movies where they all point the guns at one another in a circle

    21. UselessInsight on

      We betrayed the Kurds in Iraq and Syria. Why would they trust us in Iran?

      This is what Trump’s (sh)Art of the Deal bullshit gets us – no one trusts us.

    22. Spiritual-Pear-1349 on

      Considering the US already abandoned them once this year to massive effect, yeah I dont blame them.

    23. FunctionalGray on

      Every able bodied male in the US who voted for this should be signing up: willing to sacrifice themselves for the oil barons and their orange god. Where ya’ll at?

    24. Dookie120 on

      Distrust as in Kurds not wanting to get the carpet pulled from underneath them again? Tbh how could they trust ANY US admin let alone one run by an infamous corrupt back stabber

    27. DistanceToEmpty on

      Trump is getting ready to aimlessly wonder away from this war and everyone knows it. Good for the Kurds for not getting burned for a ~~2nd3rd4th7th~~8th time since WW1.

    28. SigSweet on

      Good for the Kurds. You can’t trust USreal. Took their weapons and peaced out.

    30. ForgingIron on

      I imagine the Kurds don’t want to get sold out by foreign powers for like the seventh time

    34. letsseeitmore on

      Kurds need to tell tRump to get fucked. He left them to get slaughtered before.

    36. Canadian_Kartoffel on

      > Amid all of this, the Kurds themselves expressed wariness about their prospects against the Iranian regime, as well as about Washington’s reliability. They began demanding “political guarantees” as opposed to just military support, the report said.

      > The concern came after recent events in Syria, where the US relied on Kurdish fighters to defeat the Islamic State group in the country’s civil war only for Trump to back new president Ahmed al-Sharaa’s offensive to take over Kurdish-held areas and re-integrate them into the central state.

      I guess being a traitor to former allies doesn’t always work out.

    37. SnozberryTheMighty on

      Do yourself a favor and look at „A Clean Break“. All the wars in the middle east of er the past 25 years will start making sense. We are Isreals little bitches apparently.

    38. Eddiebaby7 on

      The same Kurds that Trump abandoned on the battlefield during his first term? Good for them.

    39. ZincLloyd on

      Also because it was a stupid as fuck idea.

      “Hey, ethnic minority. How about you try to overthrow a government in a country where you make up 10% of the population. “

    40. Zephyr_Dragon49 on

      After what we did to them, the distrust is warranted and they shouldn’t partner with us ever again

    41. Nomanodyssey on

      Trump sucks at this, guess he shouldn’t have bailed on the Kurds years ago

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