Data centers are eating power and water fast, but a blanket pause feels like the wrong tool.
Set strict energy and water rules, require clean power plans, and make the companies pay for grid upgrades instead of freezing everything.
not-dsl on
Why do new data centers need to be built? Can’t you just repower the existing ones with faster hardware? The whole data center thing looks like a billionaire driven bubble that has little to no benefit to the average American
SlicesForLife on
Companies can probably circumvent this if there is no restriction on buying old buildings to repurpose as data centers. There are companies that already do this.
lambertb on
This will never pass and is a terrible, anti-growth idea. What will happen is that YIMBY states in the South will reap all the benefits of data centers in terms of jobs and tax revenues. And Blue states will use the services and pay the bills.
numba1cyberwarrior on
Populist garbage
Like the equivalent of banning the building of factories during the industrial revolution
Humble_Chef5348 on
Corpo reddit bots are not having this one
Ancient-Bat8274 on
Lol they should be forcing the corporations to pay more for electricity and water use rather than blanket banning. I work construction and data center contracts are the only reason I’m employed right now. Everything else has tank – new homes, new schools, renovations, utilities aside from upgrades or maintenance. I don’t like data centers but it’s the only thing keeping my job afloat. Also, we should be building or reopening and upgrading Nuke plants. They are absolutely the way forward to power these behemoths without destroying our shitting electric grid. We can do all the green energy we want, or frack, or natural gas whatever but they don’t come close to a nuke plant. We are so screwed by going in all these directions instead of just doing one thing at a time
LzTangeL on
Cool, no data centers in their states then.
jimmy_leonard1 on
Sure if you want China to kick at more shit than they already are.
McCoy818 on
we cant even keep the lights on for regular people but sure lets build more buildings that drink electricity like water
Est-Tech79 on
This is not the battle to fight.
Dems always miss the mark and always want to shut down things we all like and use regularly.
ContextFew721 on
Awful idea and this alone would drive me to vote republican for the first time in over a decade. We need to squash this idiotic narrative immediately
DrDragun on
No, accelerate.
1. Build AI to replace all human talent and jobs
2. Unemployment 30-40+% for 3-5 years which the public will not tolerate
3. Furious public votes to nationalize AI and implement a UBI
4. Robo-communist equality by hostile takeover
greycubed on
What absolute morons.
Southside53 on
Has anyone actually looked at what happens when you „pause“ tech infrastructure? My company tried freezing our server upgrades for six months and we just ended up paying 3x more later when everything crashed.
comedicsense on
Performative is what performative does.
ForcedEntry420 on
The whole point of delaying is so that appropriate regulations can be put into place. Companies have demonstrated time after time that they cannot do the right thing and will only do the absolute bare minimum as required by law.
Rushing to establish data centers all over the country and allowing AI to run wild is not the answer. I encourage everyone to watch Sander’s video where he speaks with Claude about the issue. Find out exactly why this is important.
If Congress is the people’s representation then why does it feel like there’s less than a couple handful of them like this.
CorpPhoenix on
I’d love to know what these AI data centers are *actually* for.
They are buying the entire world stock of hardware of multiple years to build those, that’s an unfathomable amount.
Everybody says „all this for AI videos of Spongebob and Trump“ but there is zero chance that this is the plan.
I assume they will try a „capture it all“ strategy in regards to any data available, no matter how private, to then try to train a first step „singularity like general AI“.
I doubt this will work though, since transformer based mathematical approximation technology seems limited in its scope of understanding by its datasets and is unable to generate truly new insights.
That’s an insane bet into the unknow they are doing there.
throw-away-imessedup on
We should outlaw datacenters 😤
The the ones that exist now should be demolished and used for homeless shelters 😊
Zeliek on
How dare they, and after all the effort the republicans put into bankrupting farms so they’d sell the land for cheaper! If we can’t build more data centers, what’re we supposed to do with all this empty farm land?!
yuval16432 on
It goes without saying that this bill won’t be accepted. Obviously.
Soulman10 on
Personally I’d rather have water in the future than stupid AI slop that no one is asking for.
amanatron on
How do I go about showing support for this bill?
Fake_William_Shatner on
People are still under the impression that the investments in the AI data centers is based on huge demand for the services they are publicly promoting.
I think there’s another plan, that requires a lot of processing resources and none of them we are going to like. And they will create demand if they have to.
So if AOC and Bernie can restrict them, that’s great. While they still pretend this is about the economy or public need.
BigOs4All on
I work in this space. AI is a major issue both for the industry and for society.
That being said, if AI didn’t exist *at all* we would still need a lot of new datacenters and power for them. Such is the march of normal business in the modern age.
UniqueLog8386 on
Uh-huh, now tell me their strategy to get it out of committee.
No-Stick8191 on
We need this. Stop data centers. Stop AI or our future will be completely distopian.
zer00eyz on
If you follow this space this legislation from people that isnt taking into account the current market.
1. Power generation capacity: The fastest way is natural gas, there is now a 2+ year lead time on turbines.
2. Using local power: Most places are voting NO on data centers when the butchers bill comes due when they get zoned.
It’s a bubble: The amount of GPU power being sold exceeds our ability to build generation by a good margin. This does not account for cooling, pumping, lights, networking etc. Back in November the MS CEO admitted that they have GPU’s that are not plugged in, sitting on the shelf. This situation is getting worse… because of the above factors.
What the law should say: Carbon neutral (offsets) and no impact to local power prices. Give tax credits to those DC’s that run on renewables made in America.
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Data centers are eating power and water fast, but a blanket pause feels like the wrong tool.
Set strict energy and water rules, require clean power plans, and make the companies pay for grid upgrades instead of freezing everything.
Why do new data centers need to be built? Can’t you just repower the existing ones with faster hardware? The whole data center thing looks like a billionaire driven bubble that has little to no benefit to the average American
Companies can probably circumvent this if there is no restriction on buying old buildings to repurpose as data centers. There are companies that already do this.
This will never pass and is a terrible, anti-growth idea. What will happen is that YIMBY states in the South will reap all the benefits of data centers in terms of jobs and tax revenues. And Blue states will use the services and pay the bills.
Populist garbage
Like the equivalent of banning the building of factories during the industrial revolution
Corpo reddit bots are not having this one
Lol they should be forcing the corporations to pay more for electricity and water use rather than blanket banning. I work construction and data center contracts are the only reason I’m employed right now. Everything else has tank – new homes, new schools, renovations, utilities aside from upgrades or maintenance. I don’t like data centers but it’s the only thing keeping my job afloat. Also, we should be building or reopening and upgrading Nuke plants. They are absolutely the way forward to power these behemoths without destroying our shitting electric grid. We can do all the green energy we want, or frack, or natural gas whatever but they don’t come close to a nuke plant. We are so screwed by going in all these directions instead of just doing one thing at a time
Cool, no data centers in their states then.
Sure if you want China to kick at more shit than they already are.
we cant even keep the lights on for regular people but sure lets build more buildings that drink electricity like water
This is not the battle to fight.
Dems always miss the mark and always want to shut down things we all like and use regularly.
Awful idea and this alone would drive me to vote republican for the first time in over a decade. We need to squash this idiotic narrative immediately
No, accelerate.
1. Build AI to replace all human talent and jobs
2. Unemployment 30-40+% for 3-5 years which the public will not tolerate
3. Furious public votes to nationalize AI and implement a UBI
4. Robo-communist equality by hostile takeover
What absolute morons.
Has anyone actually looked at what happens when you „pause“ tech infrastructure? My company tried freezing our server upgrades for six months and we just ended up paying 3x more later when everything crashed.
Performative is what performative does.
The whole point of delaying is so that appropriate regulations can be put into place. Companies have demonstrated time after time that they cannot do the right thing and will only do the absolute bare minimum as required by law.
Rushing to establish data centers all over the country and allowing AI to run wild is not the answer. I encourage everyone to watch Sander’s video where he speaks with Claude about the issue. Find out exactly why this is important.
https://youtu.be/h3AtWdeu_G0?si=w30_MnMgp2QnnMMP
If Congress is the people’s representation then why does it feel like there’s less than a couple handful of them like this.
I’d love to know what these AI data centers are *actually* for.
They are buying the entire world stock of hardware of multiple years to build those, that’s an unfathomable amount.
Everybody says „all this for AI videos of Spongebob and Trump“ but there is zero chance that this is the plan.
I assume they will try a „capture it all“ strategy in regards to any data available, no matter how private, to then try to train a first step „singularity like general AI“.
I doubt this will work though, since transformer based mathematical approximation technology seems limited in its scope of understanding by its datasets and is unable to generate truly new insights.
That’s an insane bet into the unknow they are doing there.
We should outlaw datacenters 😤
The the ones that exist now should be demolished and used for homeless shelters 😊
How dare they, and after all the effort the republicans put into bankrupting farms so they’d sell the land for cheaper! If we can’t build more data centers, what’re we supposed to do with all this empty farm land?!
It goes without saying that this bill won’t be accepted. Obviously.
Personally I’d rather have water in the future than stupid AI slop that no one is asking for.
How do I go about showing support for this bill?
People are still under the impression that the investments in the AI data centers is based on huge demand for the services they are publicly promoting.
I think there’s another plan, that requires a lot of processing resources and none of them we are going to like. And they will create demand if they have to.
So if AOC and Bernie can restrict them, that’s great. While they still pretend this is about the economy or public need.
I work in this space. AI is a major issue both for the industry and for society.
That being said, if AI didn’t exist *at all* we would still need a lot of new datacenters and power for them. Such is the march of normal business in the modern age.
Uh-huh, now tell me their strategy to get it out of committee.
We need this. Stop data centers. Stop AI or our future will be completely distopian.
If you follow this space this legislation from people that isnt taking into account the current market.
1. Power generation capacity: The fastest way is natural gas, there is now a 2+ year lead time on turbines.
2. Using local power: Most places are voting NO on data centers when the butchers bill comes due when they get zoned.
It’s a bubble: The amount of GPU power being sold exceeds our ability to build generation by a good margin. This does not account for cooling, pumping, lights, networking etc. Back in November the MS CEO admitted that they have GPU’s that are not plugged in, sitting on the shelf. This situation is getting worse… because of the above factors.
What the law should say: Carbon neutral (offsets) and no impact to local power prices. Give tax credits to those DC’s that run on renewables made in America.