Got spyware on all the US ones for our authoritarian regime, eh?
Big-Chungus-12 on
It’s so awesome that this administration helped build the infrastructure that this doesn’t screw regular people
VincentNacon on
Right…. good luck enforcing that.
Stupid MAGA shit.
ElysiumSprouts on
So… what kind of router do I need to get to out last the worst president of all time?
HorsePecker on
Literal MAGA scope of intelligence
robbob19 on
Can America build a router without using foreign parts? If you don’t control the supply chain, things like those Israeli pagers happen.
ChoiceIT on
So, all routers are banned now? Okay. Sure that will go well.
Obvious-Lake3708 on
Only our backdoors allowed!!
bio4m on
Massive overreach on the consumer side. The government doesnt lay fibre or own the networks
Dragull on
If they believe foreign routers can be used to spy, does this means US routers can spy?
SemicolonMIA on
Honestly, I think this is more to combat the random brand routers you see on Amazon these days or less reputable companies in general. Those companies are not patching routinely, leaving whoever using it vulnerable.
They will likely have a large list of approved vendors soon. Netgear definitely makes all their gear out of country, I’m sure most do. I don’t think they are the target here. This will however never allow anyone new to the space unless they are fully made here which I doubt makes them competitive.
freexanarchy on
Gotta pay a small bribe, I mean exemption fee, yeah that’s it
Quigleythegreat on
Okay, point on the map where we make *checks notes* anything?!
whitemamba24xx on
ONLY WE CAN SPY ON OUR CITIZENS AND LEAK THEIR DATA TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!!!
odarkshineo on
Gotta have that US government installed spyware in your American made router.
Smith6612 on
So just to clarify the vagueness of this…
Your cable modem, which might not have more than one Ethernet port and might not broadcast WiFi, is now a banned product.
Products like this in the consumer space is mostly software defined. They may have ASICs on board to speed up the process. But software determines what the device does to handle packets.
Your average cable modem already does Quality of Service and Traffic Shaping. It can perform basic firewalling. It does connection tracking. If you unplug it from the cable network, it can start a DHCP Server so you can reach the diagnostic web interface. Some can even run routing protocols and spit out a static IP for you, even if they don’t do NAT. What it can do is defined in software.
Back in the 2000s my DSL modem, the Westell 6100, was a complete router in a box. It didn’t have Wireless. But it could do NAT. If you connected a simple switch to the modem, assuming the modem wasn’t in Bridge mode, it would perform the PPPoE session initialization, do NAT, do DHCP for the LAN, run a basic firewall, and even had basic Upstream QoS support. It also ran a basic stub DNS Resolver.
My local providers utilize Nokia (Finnish), Arcadyan (Taiwan), Ubee (Taiwan), Hitron (Taiwan), Technicolor (French), and Askey (Taiwan). The equipment is all manufactured in Vietnam, China, or Taiwan. The firmware is developed who knows where, but it’s all Linux. All of this hardware encompasses modem, ONT, and router hardware they issue out. Some use Commscope/Arris, which is a US held company, but the gear is not manufactured in the US.
The consumer networking and ISP space is completely hosed until companies and the US government figure this out. Strap yourselves in.
pieman3141 on
Are there non-foreign-made routers?
HotPumpkinPies on
Lmao suck my ass, fascists, I’d like to see you provide an alternative. We don’t make shit in this country, that’s also your fault.
PolloConTeriyaki on
North Korea bullshit over here.
Cat5edope on
Every goddamn day some more psycho shit this government does,
Sapling-074 on
I bet the American router companies paid them to do this.
matchesmalone1 on
Maybe the same company making the supposed Trump phone can hook us all up with American made routers…
datadrone on
USA wants to be the ones monitoring and tracking not other countries!
Vaash75 on
What’s an American brand of router? I’ve been using Asus my whole recent life.
largebrandon on
How am I supposed to make beveled edges now on my projects?
johnfl68 on
„American components, Russian components. All made in Taiwan!“
madadekinai on
This needs to be updated because it’s not just routers.
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Yeah right. Not gonna happen.
Ordered tplink Omada kit
Got spyware on all the US ones for our authoritarian regime, eh?
It’s so awesome that this administration helped build the infrastructure that this doesn’t screw regular people
Right…. good luck enforcing that.
Stupid MAGA shit.
So… what kind of router do I need to get to out last the worst president of all time?
Literal MAGA scope of intelligence
Can America build a router without using foreign parts? If you don’t control the supply chain, things like those Israeli pagers happen.
So, all routers are banned now? Okay. Sure that will go well.
Only our backdoors allowed!!
Massive overreach on the consumer side. The government doesnt lay fibre or own the networks
If they believe foreign routers can be used to spy, does this means US routers can spy?
Honestly, I think this is more to combat the random brand routers you see on Amazon these days or less reputable companies in general. Those companies are not patching routinely, leaving whoever using it vulnerable.
They will likely have a large list of approved vendors soon. Netgear definitely makes all their gear out of country, I’m sure most do. I don’t think they are the target here. This will however never allow anyone new to the space unless they are fully made here which I doubt makes them competitive.
Gotta pay a small bribe, I mean exemption fee, yeah that’s it
Okay, point on the map where we make *checks notes* anything?!
ONLY WE CAN SPY ON OUR CITIZENS AND LEAK THEIR DATA TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!!!
Gotta have that US government installed spyware in your American made router.
So just to clarify the vagueness of this…
Your cable modem, which might not have more than one Ethernet port and might not broadcast WiFi, is now a banned product.
Products like this in the consumer space is mostly software defined. They may have ASICs on board to speed up the process. But software determines what the device does to handle packets.
Your average cable modem already does Quality of Service and Traffic Shaping. It can perform basic firewalling. It does connection tracking. If you unplug it from the cable network, it can start a DHCP Server so you can reach the diagnostic web interface. Some can even run routing protocols and spit out a static IP for you, even if they don’t do NAT. What it can do is defined in software.
Back in the 2000s my DSL modem, the Westell 6100, was a complete router in a box. It didn’t have Wireless. But it could do NAT. If you connected a simple switch to the modem, assuming the modem wasn’t in Bridge mode, it would perform the PPPoE session initialization, do NAT, do DHCP for the LAN, run a basic firewall, and even had basic Upstream QoS support. It also ran a basic stub DNS Resolver.
My local providers utilize Nokia (Finnish), Arcadyan (Taiwan), Ubee (Taiwan), Hitron (Taiwan), Technicolor (French), and Askey (Taiwan). The equipment is all manufactured in Vietnam, China, or Taiwan. The firmware is developed who knows where, but it’s all Linux. All of this hardware encompasses modem, ONT, and router hardware they issue out. Some use Commscope/Arris, which is a US held company, but the gear is not manufactured in the US.
The consumer networking and ISP space is completely hosed until companies and the US government figure this out. Strap yourselves in.
Are there non-foreign-made routers?
Lmao suck my ass, fascists, I’d like to see you provide an alternative. We don’t make shit in this country, that’s also your fault.
North Korea bullshit over here.
Every goddamn day some more psycho shit this government does,
I bet the American router companies paid them to do this.
Maybe the same company making the supposed Trump phone can hook us all up with American made routers…
USA wants to be the ones monitoring and tracking not other countries!
What’s an American brand of router? I’ve been using Asus my whole recent life.
How am I supposed to make beveled edges now on my projects?
„American components, Russian components. All made in Taiwan!“
This needs to be updated because it’s not just routers.
The left it broad for a reason.
[https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-420034A1.pdf](https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-420034A1.pdf)
„Routers are the boxes in every home that connect computers, phones, and smart devices to the interne“
[https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf](https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf)
Definitions:
Routers: For the purpose of this determination, the term “Routers” is defined by National
Institute of Science and Technology’s Internal Report 8425A to include consumer-grade
networking devices that are primarily intended for residential use and can be installed by the
customer. Routers forward data packets, most commonly Internet Protocol (IP) packets, between
networked systems.
By their definition, MANY devices other than what we consider routers are being targeted.
Modems, switches, gateways, access points, bridges, hubs, extenders, etc…
„If anyone is going to spy on Americans, it’s gonna be us!“
U.S. government and their techbro overlords
I’d love to see the enforcement mechanism for this.
So what router is a person supposed to use?
From the country that brought you “Europe isn’t free”
Oh I’m fucking rich now. All those routers I kept for no reason now make sense!
Let me guess, Elon Musk’s Starlink is the only legal provider, now?