Pretty much all of them are made in China anyways.
upfromashes on
Are they planning to roll out backdoored US-made routers that you *have* to buy in the US?
kon--- on
Keyword….new.
Wotmate01 on
So… All of them then?
absentmindedjwc on
Note: only routers for consumers… so businesses and shit – you know, the ones that are most likely to have terrible shit happen from lax security – can continue buying the same stuff they have been.
This is just hurting consumers to hurt consumers.
TheorySudden5996 on
I worked for an ISP and we ordered a bunch of consumer WiFi gateways. I got a phone call and it was a 3 letter agency that told me not to do anything with them and they came and confiscated the entire pallet. They had their firmware replaced with a version that had exploits from likely China on them.
CptAwesomeMan on
Behold, the infallible Free* Market
*Terms apply. Only free until it might possibly benefit consumers
duxking45 on
I feel like this is short sided and stupid. Soo we will buy american approved devices assembled in america from Chinese components? Id that better?
cas201 on
Nothing that has a circuit board is ever made in the US. And it’s never been for the past 40 years.
Bubbly_Extreme4986 on
Trump in 2024,, Golden Age of peace and epic wealth
Trump 2025,,, And now for something completely different
So an American company is going to design and have their routers built in China just like everybody else and we’ll be able to buy those?
McCoy818 on
banning foreign routers while half the government uses tiktok on their personal phones. security theater at its finest
Single-Use-Again on
I feel like the real solution would be to require open source firmware on all foreign made devices. Are we just gonna ban them all and create a black market where they’re $2000 or something?
Avarria587 on
Do we even make routers in the US? This seems like either an incredibly short-sighted decision or a an attempt to control internet usage.
clhodapp on
I don’t get it. A router is a computer with an os that’s good at networking and some settings.
You can turn anything with two Ethernet ports, a CPU, and some storage into a router.
brmarcum on
The twist: the US made routers will be made with spyware and backdoor access as factory firmware. The government will have full access to all internet data.
atempestdextre on
And on that list…no one.
Cause of course they didn’t name a single brand or model.
LemonHerb on
Guess Linux distros to turn your old computer into a router are about to get real popular
Sky952 on
The article says: It doesn’t touch existing devices. Consumers can continue to use any router they have already lawfully purchased or acquired, and retailers can keep selling previously approved models.
So if these routers are genuinely dangerous… the millions already in American homes are just fine? This a pretty glaring logical gap.
AbraKadabraAmor on
Trump golden routers
Sloterhouse5 on
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iamaredditboy on
Ah starlink….
a-voice-in-your-head on
So this is about domestic control.
LiteratureMindless71 on
I bet everyone that pushed this has a foreign router…..
GreyBeardEng on
This won’t last, I bet the lobbyists are already in motion.
BeefyMiracleWhip on
I legitimately am NOT gonna be surprised if we eventually see a govt sponsored buyback of certain tech devices, like phones, computers, gaming equipment, and network gear in the name of national security. The MAGA chuds will eat this shit up too. But somehow to them a gun buyback is still „TOO FAR!!!!“
aim_for_the_middle on
“Any new router made outside the US will now need to be approved by the FCC before it can be imported, marketed, or sold in the country.
In order to get that approval, companies manufacturing routers outside the US must apply for conditional approval in a process that will require the disclosure of the firm’s foreign investors or influence, as well as a plan to bring the manufacturing of the routers to the US.”
This is a shakedown and has absolutely nothing to do with “national security.”
Cinder_Gimbal on
So basically the government will allow to sell only *approved* devices. Approved by the government and likely with pre-installed monitoring 🙂
freexanarchy on
It’s all about the exemptions, ie who’s paying the bribes to continue to be able to sell.
splynncryth on
I wonder what they will do about computers running router software.
Big-Chungus-12 on
Awesome, can’t wait to have to spend 10x more with 10x less quality 👍
paulodelgado on
PFsense and opsense gang. Our stocks are rising.
PlutoJones42 on
This is going to be so they can install government backdoors into everyone’s devices for more mass surveillance. It’s getting dystopian as fuck in this country
SomeSamples on
Hmmm, could this be the reason for return to office? The federal government found that consumer grade routers are all compromised and people working from home are essentially giving China everything they do for the company they work for. Or is this a form of shake down by the Trump administration? „Pay enough and we might let you sell your routers here.“
ThePensiveE on
When do they announce a censorship chip on every domestic router?
DietSteve on
Gotta love knee-jerk reactionary policies…
**ANY** router can be compromised, regardless of where it’s made. Once a vulnerability is found, it will be exploited. Code doesn’t care where the chips come from.
This is such a stupid take and is only going to hurt the economy in the long run because it’s going to take years to spin up factories to make the components necessary for „approved“ routers. This would be mildly understandable if we had existing infrastructure to support it, but we don’t; the only people who make routers (supposedly) entirely in the US is Starlink. Netgear is a US company but outsources it’s components. There is literally no current manufacturer to uphold these new standards, and when one does spin up they’ll be woefully behind the curve because the tech evolves too fast.
Substantial-Sky4079 on
There it is
“One exception to the general absence of US-made routers is the newer Starlink WiFi router. Starlink is part of Elon Musk’s company SpaceX.
The company says the Starlink routers are made in Texas.”
Libertechian on
You have to assume any hardware you didn’t build and any software you didn’t write to be potentially compromised. Having Chinese made routers that can be turned into a bot swarm with a firmware push is a liability. Domestic spying is just as likely, so adding your own layer of something to do always on VPN or something would be good. Even then they’ll just fingerprint the traffic, so TOR or whatever is only so good
Masterofunlocking1 on
wtf electronic isn’t made in China now days? The US fucked itself when it wanted to be cheap and sent most manufacturing to China
ExceptionEX on
Even domestic manufactured equipment is made with imported parts, it isn’t like we have a manufacturing sector producing these.
Don’t worry though the internet providers lobby will likely get this sorted out pretty quick.
Dreaming_Blackbirds on
Coming soon: golden TrumpTruthWeb Router, $999
(it’s actually a $49 router from Temu that’s been spray-painted gold by a dude in Florida)
ThePensiveE on
It’s *bribe-o-clock* somewhere.
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Pretty much all of them are made in China anyways.
Are they planning to roll out backdoored US-made routers that you *have* to buy in the US?
Keyword….new.
So… All of them then?
Note: only routers for consumers… so businesses and shit – you know, the ones that are most likely to have terrible shit happen from lax security – can continue buying the same stuff they have been.
This is just hurting consumers to hurt consumers.
I worked for an ISP and we ordered a bunch of consumer WiFi gateways. I got a phone call and it was a 3 letter agency that told me not to do anything with them and they came and confiscated the entire pallet. They had their firmware replaced with a version that had exploits from likely China on them.
Behold, the infallible Free* Market
*Terms apply. Only free until it might possibly benefit consumers
I feel like this is short sided and stupid. Soo we will buy american approved devices assembled in america from Chinese components? Id that better?
Nothing that has a circuit board is ever made in the US. And it’s never been for the past 40 years.
Trump in 2024,, Golden Age of peace and epic wealth
Trump 2025,,, And now for something completely different
Time to build your own router. [pf sense](https://www.pfsense.org/)
So which ones are we allowed to buy?
Next week: „TRUMP… THE ROUTER!“
Stupid of course, but then look who’s in charge.
So an American company is going to design and have their routers built in China just like everybody else and we’ll be able to buy those?
banning foreign routers while half the government uses tiktok on their personal phones. security theater at its finest
I feel like the real solution would be to require open source firmware on all foreign made devices. Are we just gonna ban them all and create a black market where they’re $2000 or something?
Do we even make routers in the US? This seems like either an incredibly short-sighted decision or a an attempt to control internet usage.
I don’t get it. A router is a computer with an os that’s good at networking and some settings.
You can turn anything with two Ethernet ports, a CPU, and some storage into a router.
The twist: the US made routers will be made with spyware and backdoor access as factory firmware. The government will have full access to all internet data.
And on that list…no one.
Cause of course they didn’t name a single brand or model.
Guess Linux distros to turn your old computer into a router are about to get real popular
The article says: It doesn’t touch existing devices. Consumers can continue to use any router they have already lawfully purchased or acquired, and retailers can keep selling previously approved models.
So if these routers are genuinely dangerous… the millions already in American homes are just fine? This a pretty glaring logical gap.
Trump golden routers
(Palentir has entered the chat)
Ah starlink….
So this is about domestic control.
I bet everyone that pushed this has a foreign router…..
This won’t last, I bet the lobbyists are already in motion.
I legitimately am NOT gonna be surprised if we eventually see a govt sponsored buyback of certain tech devices, like phones, computers, gaming equipment, and network gear in the name of national security. The MAGA chuds will eat this shit up too. But somehow to them a gun buyback is still „TOO FAR!!!!“
“Any new router made outside the US will now need to be approved by the FCC before it can be imported, marketed, or sold in the country.
In order to get that approval, companies manufacturing routers outside the US must apply for conditional approval in a process that will require the disclosure of the firm’s foreign investors or influence, as well as a plan to bring the manufacturing of the routers to the US.”
This is a shakedown and has absolutely nothing to do with “national security.”
So basically the government will allow to sell only *approved* devices. Approved by the government and likely with pre-installed monitoring 🙂
It’s all about the exemptions, ie who’s paying the bribes to continue to be able to sell.
I wonder what they will do about computers running router software.
Awesome, can’t wait to have to spend 10x more with 10x less quality 👍
PFsense and opsense gang. Our stocks are rising.
This is going to be so they can install government backdoors into everyone’s devices for more mass surveillance. It’s getting dystopian as fuck in this country
Hmmm, could this be the reason for return to office? The federal government found that consumer grade routers are all compromised and people working from home are essentially giving China everything they do for the company they work for. Or is this a form of shake down by the Trump administration? „Pay enough and we might let you sell your routers here.“
When do they announce a censorship chip on every domestic router?
Gotta love knee-jerk reactionary policies…
**ANY** router can be compromised, regardless of where it’s made. Once a vulnerability is found, it will be exploited. Code doesn’t care where the chips come from.
This is such a stupid take and is only going to hurt the economy in the long run because it’s going to take years to spin up factories to make the components necessary for „approved“ routers. This would be mildly understandable if we had existing infrastructure to support it, but we don’t; the only people who make routers (supposedly) entirely in the US is Starlink. Netgear is a US company but outsources it’s components. There is literally no current manufacturer to uphold these new standards, and when one does spin up they’ll be woefully behind the curve because the tech evolves too fast.
There it is
“One exception to the general absence of US-made routers is the newer Starlink WiFi router. Starlink is part of Elon Musk’s company SpaceX.
The company says the Starlink routers are made in Texas.”
You have to assume any hardware you didn’t build and any software you didn’t write to be potentially compromised. Having Chinese made routers that can be turned into a bot swarm with a firmware push is a liability. Domestic spying is just as likely, so adding your own layer of something to do always on VPN or something would be good. Even then they’ll just fingerprint the traffic, so TOR or whatever is only so good
wtf electronic isn’t made in China now days? The US fucked itself when it wanted to be cheap and sent most manufacturing to China
Even domestic manufactured equipment is made with imported parts, it isn’t like we have a manufacturing sector producing these.
Don’t worry though the internet providers lobby will likely get this sorted out pretty quick.
Coming soon: golden TrumpTruthWeb Router, $999
(it’s actually a $49 router from Temu that’s been spray-painted gold by a dude in Florida)
It’s *bribe-o-clock* somewhere.