BEARBEITEN:
Ich glaube, ich muss eine Korrektur vornehmen. Ich weiß, dass die Rhetorik auch Leute wie Klempner, Tischler, Bauarbeiter, Elektriker, Techniker usw. einschließt. Leute mit beruflichen Fähigkeiten, die damit einverstanden wären, wenn sie weniger bezahlt würden, als sie wert sind.
Mein Punkt ist, dass es auch in unterentwickelten Ländern Unmengen dieser Menschen gibt. Aus diesem Grund sind diese Dienstleistungen beispielsweise in Ländern wie der Türkei sehr günstig, weil es dort so viele Menschen gibt, die sich darin auskennen.
Dennoch habe ich noch nie gehört, dass solche Leute nach Deutschland gehen, von denen ich mit Sicherheit weiß, dass sie kein Auge zudrücken würden, wenn man ihnen ein Angebot bekäme, selbst wenn das Gehalt kaum über dem Mindestlohn läge, denn das ist immer noch ein großer Unterschied in der Lebensqualität.
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Seit mindestens 10 Jahren hören wir aus den Nachrichten, dass "Deutschland ruft nach Arbeitskräften", "Deutschland braucht qualifizierte Einwanderer"usw. Wenn es im Jahr 2026 3.000.000 Arbeitslose im Land gibt.
Ich kenne die Rhetorik, die besagt, dass sie Arbeiter mit Mindestlohn brauchen, die die Deutschen nicht wollen. Warum nehmen sie dann nicht einfach ungelernte Arbeiter auf, wie sie es in den 60er Jahren taten? Ich wette, Millionen von Menschen in nicht entwickelten Teilen der Welt würden gerne von ihren noch beschisseneren Jobs mit Mindestlohn in ihren eigenen Ländern wegkommen. Aber nein, man kann nicht als Lidl-Kassierer nach Deutschland einwandern, man kann nicht als Lagerarbeiter einwandern. Nein, Sie müssen eine qualifizierte Person mit einem Abschluss sein UND Sie müssen Ihr eigenes Sponsorunternehmen finden UND Sie müssen Deutsch können.
Welchen Sinn hat es, diese Nachrichten einfach rauszulassen, wenn man die Leute nicht einfach so aufnehmen will?
Ich persönlich bin so frustriert, weil ich in meinem Land so viele Menschen habe, die ich kenne, die nach Deutschland kommen wollen, es aber aufgrund dieser Barrieren nicht können. Es weckt nur falsche Hoffnungen bei den Menschen, es fühlt sich fast so an, als würden sie sich nur über die Hoffnungen der Menschen lustig machen.
Kann jemand bitte eine vernünftige Erklärung geben, warum er das weiterhin tut, OHNE uninteressante Dinge zu sagen, wie zum Beispiel, dass er inkompetent ist oder was auch immer? Hier gibt es eine Agenda, aber ich komme einfach nicht dahinter und habe noch keine Antwort gefunden.
Hier ist ein sehr aktuelles Beispiel für die Art von Nachrichten, auf die ich mich beziehe:
Can someone please explain why we STILL hear that Germany needs workers when it's obviously a lie?
byu/weatherkicksass ingermany
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Needing workers is not the same as needing any workers. There are skills required.
Germany needs lots of workers, but its not the popular college educated ones.
Workers /= skilled workers…
No matter how low wages go, employers still want them to go lower.
Germany needs workers that work unpleasant jobs for crappy salaries. That has always been the case.
But raising salaries to make the jobs attractive for locals does not come to mind.
brooo german need worker for 16 euro pro hour, they dont need worker who have master degree and look for over 25 euro pro hour
Maybe read the article, there is no IT people mentionend but hard working jobs like butcher and carpenter which noone wants to do here
One of the „explanations“ I got is that the current demographic has more retired pension taking people than tax paying workers. So there needs to be more of taxpayers to fund pensioners. And because the current young people aren’t having kids at the same rate as the generations before us, there’s an even lesser number of future generations for the current generation to have enough pension by the time they retire. So the solution to all of this is migration. Get in more workers who will pay more taxes so the social security system remains functional.
(Don’t yell at me, this is just one of the things I heard someone say.) However I don’t understand how the jobs will magically appear.
Well we need workers. But like nurses, doctors, pharmacist and Not thousand data analysts
Germany doesn’t need minimum-wage workers or university-educated workers. What Germany needs is skilled workers such as electricians, plumbers, nurses, etc. Basically jobs which need an Ausbildung.
Germany DOES need skilled workers, but not any
skilled workers. There are already plenty of IT & marketing specialists here. What Germany needs are nurses, electricians, plumbers. They are too skilled professions, just not the ones many are thinking about. Skilled does not equal Master’s degree
If you’re a nurse or old age home worker, you’ll be welcomed with open arms because nobody here wants to work crazy hours for crappy pay. That’s the kind of work they’re looking for. I guess if you know C1/C2, you can also try training for teaching positions and you’ll still be in high demand. But it’s the same issue. Underpaid profession.
However, anything tech related is saturated as fuck.
I think the biggest problem is the language barrier. Most of these so called skilled jobs require language skills. Additionally, they need a lot of people in nursing care. Germany is among one of the top 5 countries with most old people and they need nursing care for them and that can’t be done with non German skills. Lastly, they want cheap labor but can’t let go off their stubborn immigration policies.
Can you please clean this awful URL 😱
It is simple. CEO‘s want people they can exploit, u cant exploit people that know their rights. So they shove money to politicians to push agendas with the end goal of getting more immigrants in the country.
We need workers in very, very specific fields (mostly because the conditions suck and it’s not the sort of job everyone can or will do and they don’t want to pay more or improve the conditions).
The agenda is to keep on going as „we“ always have in a world that’s changing rapidly. The agenda is to keep wages in country low. The agenda is to plaster over large, glaring issues with fresh bodies instead of fixing the issues. The agenda is to get keep their political offices – the necessary changes would be deeply uncomfortable for a lot of people, so they think that whoever makes them will not be elected again (to be fair, they’re probably right).
You’re imagining things as one country making decisions. It’s not. One hand is trying to move in foreigners, because the age distribution of our population is a slow moving catastrophe and that’s how they’re trying to fix it. The other hand is trying to get rid of foreigners and discourage them (mostly the asylum seekers, which are the hardest to get rid of or discourage for obvious reasons).
The end result of trying to do that simultaneously looks, to put it mildly, insane and incompetent.
Who cares what a country needs, people can come and try their hand at getting job they wish. If they succede nice for them, if not then adapt or pack your bags
Germany needs w o r k e r s . Craftsmen and women, blue collar jobs and care workers that is meant with skilled workers.
Not academics and self-taught IT people or more marketing.
If they really needed workers, they wouldn’t demand German fluency for every single job.
„WHeN iT’s oBViOUalY a LiE“
I worked three digits (105 or so, not a lot into three digits, but still, three digits it was) overtime last year because we were short . In a field where a newly trained skilled professional (no university degree needed, Mittlere Reife at the age of 16 and an Ausbildung) at the age of 20 can earn 3.3 K gross per month from month number one in their carreer as full-time employee plus extra retirement fund payed completely by the public employer.
Obviously, the most important skill here is: Language skills. But we were very much willing to compromise with that in the past in my field and we will have to continue to do so in the future, even though it is very much vital.
I am sick and tired of people in overcrowded, underdemanded fields believing only because they are competing with thousands of others for the same hundreds of jobs who are all just as un-exceptional as each other that there is a lack of skilled workers.
Whenever you wait for an appointement **anywhere** longer than you thought, for every time a service takes longer than you wished for, remember, the skilled workers shortage is a lie. Small shops and trades around you going bust? Certainly not because there are literally not enough people doing the job. And so on, and so forth.
Uff, whoo, off my chest it went. But to be honest, you own link disproves your slightly conspiratorial conclusion, doesn’t it? It clearly states that people come to Germany to start apprantaceships, so they do exactly what you claim they cant‘, don’t they? And it also states that there are more and more skilled worker’s visa for Indians. So also the opposite of what you state, no? The article does state the opposite of your conclusion that people are just playing with foreigners‘ hopes, doesn’t it?
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>There’s an agenda here but I just can’t figure it out and have yet to find an answer.
The agenda is that well-paid office workers are not that much in demand but instead of realizing that a whole lot of the economy, espescially the more basic and fundamental one that everybody is in need, as in: they need it in their daily lives, is mostly not working in offices and that they may be the outlier, they cry „Conspiracy“.
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>Yet I never hear those kind of people going to Germany which I know for a fact that they wouldn’t blink an eye if they were given an offer even if the salary was barely above minimum wage because that’s still a huge difference in quality of life.
The article you posted literally tells you the stories of some of these people.
my wife and many in our social circle came to Germany as immigrants by simply applyong for an Ausbildung. They all got one without much trouble at all, and none of them ever became unemployed, as far as I know.
Her workplace os desperately looking dor new Azubis every year, and if they are lucky they get more than one applicant, for five open positions. Every year. And it’s the same in every workplace. Every restaurant, every hotel, every electrician, plumber, tilelayer, painter, every public transportation company, every administrative office, **EVERYONE** is telling us they are experiencing a severe labor shortage.
Oh, but no, a redditor who went to university, didn’t do anything but sit in a lecture hall for six years, and doesn’t even speak German, doesn’t find a job, therefore the same labor shortage, that every single developed country in the world agrees is the greatest challenge of the 21st century, with labor becoming *the* most critical ressource of the world, must be a lie.
You are hearing what you want to hear.
Harsh reality is: Germany needs skilled workers in certain professions like nurses, care workers, craftsman. What Germany does not need is more data analysts, computer scientists or marketing specialists that cant speak German.
Germany needs millions of worker, so that they can reject their job applications without replying
It’s not about needing unskilled workers or another software engineer.
Germany needs much more craftspeople who are skilled in their craft and willing to do it.
For most young Germans, a career in crafts isn’t a good career choice, as for someone who wants to „do something with machines“, the pay is double if the graduate as an engineer instead of taking an equally-long apprenticeship to become the guy who actually assembles the machine. This problem exists in all industries and that’s it: Germany needs more workers with different skills, who are highly skilled but are willing to work for an unskilled-labourer’s pay.
We dont need more workers, but the rich ruling class needs a poor underclass to extort labor from. They know how exploitative and awful it is so they try to disguise it as being woke/progressive by bringing in the „we need people from other cultures“ angle
Because they do, they just don’t need the seven trillionth CV for a CS related job, how difficult is that to understand?
There’s many things that are needed, but they require hands on work like plumbing, electric, masonry, healthcare. Not game design, IT, AI, and data analysts
The truth is both views are right but also wrong. The state and the social system needs workers to function for sure. Private sector and the ‚real‘ tax generators do not. On the private side labor demand is decreasing rapidly as well as supply is growing. Checkout the recent Beveridge curves and you will see how much of dangerous zone we are in.
Usually you can find USA data on this but the world is pretty much will be the same. With slight lags ofc. And all those rate cuts subsidised etc is to just shift the direction on this graph.
People that have learned a trade like electrician and people working in health care with enough German to communicate with people in Germany speaking German is what’s needed.
Not the 5th million IT dude/ dudess with an A2 in German.
Recruiting is a numbers game. The more „talent“ you „attract“, the cheaper you get the „best“ for your „exciting opportunity“
As a doctor, i can tell you that there is a lot of need in some specialties. I applied to so many hospitals and all of them called me back and wanted me to start ASAP
Missinterpretation of cheap labour
The article mentions which professions are facing a shortage because young people in Germany don’t want to do the strenuous apprenticeships in them:- bricklayers, carpenters, butchers and bakers.
As for why they don’t make it easier for them to enter, again that’s exactly what the article is saying – that they’re changing laws to allow for easier immigration to fill these roles. Of course they’re not going to remove all their checks and controls completely, it’ll be a gradual process if they find it a net positive, which is what the article says they’re trying.
So what are you complaining about exactly? Did you even read the article past the headline lol
Germany does need „skilled workers“. The problem is that most people don’t understand that „skilled workers“ means people willing to work for minimum wage.
Maybe its changed or maybe I did not fully understand the situation but when I lived there too long ago, there were an awful lot of people of Turkish descent who were allowed to live there but for unclear reasons, not permitted to work. Many in that community were into their second and third generations of living there but they were not allowed to get a work permit.
I wasn’t either, as an American trailing spouse with high demand IT skills.
How many refugees and foreign nationals are already legally living in Germany but for all sorts of bureaucratic reasons are not permitted to work?
Its all kind of perverse. Your workforce might already be there.
Because we do. But we need nurses and doctors and daycare teachers, and most of all craftspeople. Like, exactly the opposite of what writes on here day to day.
Bro I am a construction technician but because of my lack of german I gotta do minimum wage to survive. And I can’t find any sponsors. Every time I go to agentür für arbeit they tell me that they can’t help me. And then they cry about everyone who comes here is just a non skilled worker.
I’d like to comment but there are too many shit ppl commenting so I keep “read-only“ mode
I mean we do, but very specialized ones. If you just take open jobs vs unemployed people we dont need more. Sounds like a contradiction I know.
Probably, It’s that same talking points that we hear in Portugal. „Companies need skilled workers, it’s so hard to hire new people“. What the media and those companies don’t tell you, is that companies don’t want to pay a fair wage, and when candidates laugh in their face when they find out they want to pay them peanuts…out comes the „nobody wants to work these days…new generations are so lazy, etc.“
I have to speak german for these „lower“ jobs.
Nothing like a bit of… even as a cashier you have to be able to have conversations in german
SKILLED workers that COST only minimum wage.
We don’t have enough of those. Pesky skilled Germans only do lifestyle part time and demand appropriate compensation. Importing cheap labour fuels competition and will teach those lazy socialists to appreciate even having a job.
I feel like the big problem is that those workers don’t generate revenue for shareholders and owners. It’s mainly public sector workers such as nurses, pharmacists, etc…
I get it Germany doesn’t need more IT workers. But those employed in IT are getting fat paychecks. Make it make sense to me.
Basically they want you to work like a horse and paid like a mouse. There are many blue collar jobs that i would see interesting and i could be open to doing but when i look at the wage, i change my mind. If you want more plumbers or care takers, reduce training duration and increase salaries. It’s not rocket science. Make it attractive and people will do it. You can’t pay someone working day and night a peasant salary when (internet influencers, tiktokers or even politicians make your monthly salary in one day)
It is not that there is somebody who is directing the „German economy“ or others to „let these news out“. That’s demand reported from companies in surveys, studies and statistics. Also, there is no „they“ or „giving false hopes“ or „making fun“. From my point of view that’s somehow derived from your picture of how elites might just release some news and govern everything, but this is not how it works.
And yes, there are a lot of people unemployed, but they cannot automatically fill every job. Some don’t have the education, others not the specialization, others are not willing to migrate (within Germany) or simply have skills in areas without demand.
And yes, there is no lack of Lidl cashiers. That you need a degree, knowledge in German and a company that is providing a job totally makes sense, don’t you think so? From German perspective, it increases your chances to be successful and not just stranded in Germany. I think the point is, that „skilled workers“ is a term that might be too broad since many people see themselves as skilled, but of course it needs to match the demand and partly qualifications needed. Additionally, migration is a real controversy topic in German with a strong anti-migration movement in politics, so that there is a high focus of making sure peoples integration is a success. You might think it is an individual problem for the person who migrates, if the migration process fails and people cannot make up for their existence in Germany, but the society in Germany sees it as part of a functioning society to large groups of people in desperate situations.
Also in news like you mentioned, afaik special programs were opened where conditions might differ from the general ones that are usually coming for blue cards applications for example.
I think I need to make a correction. I know the rhetoric also includes people like plumbers, carpenters, construction workers, electricians, technicians etc. People with vocational skills who would be okay with getting paid less than they’re worth.
My point is, there’s also tons and tons of those people in underdeveloped countries. That’s why those services are very cheap in countries like turkey for example because there’s so many people who are skilled in these.
Yet I never hear those kind of people going to Germany which I know for a fact that they wouldn’t blink an eye if they were given an offer even if the salary was barely above minimum wage because that’s still a huge difference in quality of life.
That’s what I don’t get.