Deutschland werde nicht zur Atomkraft zurückkehren, sagt die Kanzlerin
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-nuclear-power-plants-european-union-energy-policy/a-76305267
Von Haunting_Switch3463
Deutschland werde nicht zur Atomkraft zurückkehren, sagt die Kanzlerin
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-nuclear-power-plants-european-union-energy-policy/a-76305267
Von Haunting_Switch3463
42 Kommentare
With the decline of the prices of batteries I can understnad why you won’t want to build an expensive plant.
I wish Germany would stop shooting itself in the foot.
Gas gas baby
Just imagining building a multi million Euro NPP controlled by the ministress of incompetence is a thing nightmares are made of.
Finally something our chancellor is good at, while the rest of Europe lost its economic and sustainable faculties
Because it would be extremely expensive to get the power plants running again. Every pipe needs to be inspected and replaced, and there are tens of thousands of them. German inspections are no joke.
Also the greens would block it.
Doesn‘t make any sense as it takes 20 years anyway until a new one is built.
And you need a place for it and no one wants one around them.
Also there‘s no further incentive regarding nuclear (France, Britain have their military adventures with it), which Germany doesn‘t have. So both of them have other incentives to have the personell workforce for this.
Has it made sense to shut the others down? No. Do they have a limited lifetime anyway? Yes.
Does it make sense to build new ones? If you want one in 2045, sure.
So Swedish costumers get to pay more for their electricity because of Germanys needed import of Swedish nuclear power! FU
Because it doesn’t make sense. Let’s look at the actual data:
– Olkiluoto 3 — Finland, planned build time and costs 5 years/3 billion Euro, actual build time and costs 17 years / 11 billion Euro
– Flamanville 3 — France, planned build time and costs 5 years, 3.3 billion Euro, actual build time 17 years / 23.7 billon Euro
– Hinkley Point C — UK, still in construction, was planned to be ready in 2025 for 18 billion Pound, now estimated to be ready in 2030 for 35 billion Pound
And this won’t be different in Germany. A return to nuclear power just isn’t a viable option for Germany.
It’s not so surprising; it was a mistake to abandon nuclear power.
But it would also be a mistake to go back to it.
What would be the point?
Renewable energy is working better and better, and the neighbor is filling the gap.
Obviously, it’s an outdated extremely expensive energy source. (To build and ongoing) 0 reason to go for it now. Just look at the new UK plants.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Going back to nuclear means building new plants. Is always an option and if the pressure is high enough, this can be done faster than 20 years.
But it is an expensive technology, only suitable for baseline power, not flexible. And we have no idea what will happen in de coming 20 years. Maybe batteries based on other technologies are 10 times cheaper and we can story solar power for half a years cost efficiently.
Real experts will have to advise what the pro’s and cons are and then a good decision is needed what is most important and how much it may cost. Just yelling pro or anti will not help.
Guess we need to learn the limits of current energy storage the hard way…
in other news: the sky is blue
Good. It makes no sense to go nuclear right now if batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper.
Even IF we could follow the Chinese and build a small one in 5 years (and good luck dealing with local protests because no one wants this in their own backyard), green energy would still be way cheaper and you don’t need the state to deal with the insurance problem. If private investors want to build a nuclear power station? Ok that’s cool. But good luck finding enough capital.
If we look at Belgium, Poland and the UK, the costs are just too high. The guaranteed purchase price by the state is completely bonkers compared to the falling cost of batteries and storage systems. A 20 year guarantee when storage costs are falling ~40% each year?
The world is going to end due to climate change according to many. But for ideological reasons and bureaucracy the same people wont restarts the single most stable and cleanest source of energy. Its almost as if they are lying or their claims are exaggerated.
However, there is no problem importing electricity from French nuclear power.
Germany don’t have capabilities to build or run nuclear power plant on realistic budget. Just look on some recent big German projects. It’s just incompetence on top places, NIMBY and gas lobby. It’s just not realistic.
China can make stuffs. Including Nuclear power plants. Germans don’t. Just check new German cars or Bosh washing machines. And now imagine these engineers and managers are building and running nuclear power plants.
Honestly, right now this makes a lot of sense. Germany is fundamentally unable to build big projects, even more so than other western countries. Any new nuclear project would get stuck in 20+ years of planning phases and NIMBY appeal before construction even starts. They’re much better of just importing power from France or soon Poland and (indirectly) financing construction there.
Also they’re not really needed. German power consumption is in decline. Energy intensive industry is going away (due to high power prices, burocracy, crumbling infrastructure) and right now it’s doubtful that significant parts of it will even be around once a hypothetical planing phase is completed.
Everybody being outraged like usual.
What I never see is explanations on how to make these quite large investments profitable for Germany.
Oh and to fix the storage problem afterwards.
But refusing to divide Germany into [bidding zones](https://www.ewi.uni-koeln.de/en/publications/bidding-zone-split-in-germany-what-is-it-about/) and relying on other countries energy grid is fine, I guess.
never in history, a single sticker made so much damage
Imagine the Stuttgart 21 equivalent of a nuclear power plant 💀
Good, we already have war in Europe, we don’t need additional bullseye targets for Russia.
Trying to power a country like Germany with just windmills or solar energy is impossible today. A mix of renewables and nuclear power seems reasonable, as it’s a clean and profitable energy source in the long run. Instead of just debating, you should start building them, because it’s a long road ahead. Wanting nuclear bombs but not civilian power plants is quite baffling.
who abducted Merz and replaced him with an impostor?
So short sighted!
Sure, whatever. If the economics dont make sense, they dont.
What I dont understand is, for a country thats so deeply dependant on industrial production; why is the energy so fucking expensive? If you dont build nuclear, thats fine. But you need to be building A LOT OF what you are actually building. Which is, looking at my electric bill, not happening.
>Merz also knows that a rollback would need to find a majority in the Bundestag, the lower house of Germany’s parliament. And and the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party’s votes would be needed to make up the numbers. Merz has said he would not work with the AfD.
Horse shit. Merz was perfectly happy to count on AfD votes when it came to immigration. But suddenly the guy has qualms when it comes to nuclear power?
Either he learned a lesson regarding the cordon sanitaire or he is lying. Easy pick when it comes to probability.
[Padmé] So you’re building renewables right?
[Anakin] … (ominous smile)
[Padmé] You’re building renewables … right?
But will use sht ton of gas that is worse for global warming
I’ve read that it now trend to building nuclear power plants with small modular reactors. They’re much cheaper to build, and the payback periods are shorter as well.
What’s even the point of this discussion (again)? All of the big energy companies/grid operators in Germany say building new NPP is not realistic as it takes too long and is way too expensive. They wouldn’t want to do it.
Is it just so that the nuclear lovers and haters have something to fight about and won’t look too closely on other projects?
The fossil fuel lobby check cleared this month
This sub is so obsessed with Germany and nuclear power.. economics are far more complex than just „glowing stick makes free and clean energy!“. It was once very good because no alternatives existed, but nowadays it is simply far too expensive to build and maintain.
Of course not, our politicians are completely against the interests of Germans.
You’d have to be severely anti-german to even get into the parliament.
Can someone shed some light on why Germany/German government is so against nuclear power even in the face of global energy uncertainty? I’m sure there is still plenty of nuclear expertise in Germany, let alone other European countries like France or the UK.
The older generations fucked us young generation over so hard it’s actually insane. How much are we supposed to pay for Rent. electricity or gas? We pay billions every year because our politicians love green energy that can’t be used in the summer because it’s too much for our grid to handle/ we can’t store it. So we have to beg other countries to take it from us while we pay them billions for it. Switching to Green Energy and still relying on coal cooked us. We should’ve built more nuclear power plants on the borders just like the other countries do.
We call Americans dumb but this one eats the cake for me
There is NO, I mean NOT SINGULAR argument for this. It’s pure worldview. No logic there.
Weird hill to die on
We are still busy with the big nuclear project of finding a suitable site for a permanent storage facility.
The current one named Asse 2 turned out to be a nightmare and the nuclear waste stored in the old salt mine threatens to contaminate the ground water of large parts of northern Germany. So, we have to spend billions to retrieve the waste, which has to be done with robots (that have to be invented first) because the work is to hazardous for humans.
The latest I’ve heard about the status of the search for a new facility is, that the planned time schedule is now canceled and the search will just take as long as it takes. Likely several more decades.
Under such conditions I’m really relieved that we don’t try to build new reactors and produce more nuclear waste with no idea how to handle it.
Turning away from nuclear was idiotic. Deciding not to revert the decision after an energy crysis ensued is even more idiotic.