I always find it odd that the discussion on these is focussed solely on the privacy concerns, rather than the fact that the measures generally don’t work. Generally they lead to a surge in traffic to competing unregulated platforms that operate outside of the relevant jurisdiction or to services that allow circumvention like proxies, vpns, tor, torrents etc.
>“We don’t allow children to walk into bars or bottle shops, adult stores or casinos, but when it comes to online spaces where they are spending a lot of their time there are no such safeguards,“ Ms Inman Grant said.
It’s comments like this that annoy me the most, because this is intentionally overlooking that there’s a very fundamental difference between preventing physical and digital access.
It’s kind of difficult for a casino to not notice that one of their customers is three feet tall and wearing school uniform, and generally legislators aren’t too fussed about trying to prevent kids from flying to Russia on their lunch breaks to gamble or watch adult content. But website operators have to collect incredibly sensitive data to generate even an unreliable age estimate which is incredibly easy to spoof, and users that don’t want to do that can go to Russia (or anywhere else that doesn’t give a fuck) by simply typing in a different URL.
Presenting these as somehow analogous is just outright disingenuous. The worst part is that all these schemes worldwide are suddenly being implemented at great cost with no follow up to measure efficacy.
ExZowieAgent on
Anyone remember the age verification in the Leisure Suit Larry games? It was just a series of questions children shouldn’t know the answer to. Let’s just do that.
Arkyja on
You know who is gonna do the age ratings for the games my chikd wants to play? Me
dropthemagic on
Protect the children but hide the Epstein files.
lokey_convo on
Australia should just copy California’s law. Makes it easier for everyone.
Any-Mathematician946 on
Is this the First step for Ultra Porn?
crypticbru on
CDs making a comeback?
nakabra on
This will erode the already slim privacy we once had.
I’ll get some VPN since my country will start this crap in a week from now but it might not be enough.
They will also roll out ID verification on OS level.
Maybe I’ll have to finnaly instal some shady Linux distro to protect myself.
xondk on
Proper zero knowledge implementation or no deal, the whole ’send us your passport<or equivalent>‘ is just begging hackers to attack whoever that identity provider is.
NinjaSilver2811 on
How about parents just read the age rating and hold them accountable for buying their kids something they shouldn’t. They compare it to alcohol, but Its a crime to let them have alcohol.
Miamithrice69 on
That title tells me the author doesn’t know jack shit about games or websites
CopiousCool on
Just make a new PG rated web for Kids and digital services and leave the rest of the web for adults, all this age verification BS is ruining an already struggling enterprise that used to flourish.
We need to be thinking on how to get the internet back to it’s former glory not age checking it to death with bots
vriska1 on
Can this code be taken to court?
RichardDr on
The part that never gets enough attention: whoever ends up operating these age verification systems becomes a massive honeypot. You’re building a centralized database that links real identities to every adult website and R-rated game someone visits. That’s not just a privacy concern — it’s a data breach waiting to happen.
And when (not if) that breach occurs, you’re not just leaking email addresses. You’re leaking a detailed map of someone’s browsing habits tied to their government ID. The Ashley Madison breach was devastating and that was just a dating site. Now imagine that but with browsing history attached.
The whole „we’ll use a third-party verifier so the sites never see your ID“ argument falls apart when you realize the third party still has all the data. You’ve just moved the target, not eliminated it.
West-Abalone-171 on
The privacy violation is the point.
TDVapermann on
Damn guess parents don’t have to be parents anymore…
damontoo on
I refuse to even enter my birthdate on Suno. I paid for an annual membership and months later they decided to require a birthdate or they lock you out of your account. They can get fucked as I’m willing to take them to court over it on principle alone. They have my payment method and billing details. If they want my birthdate they can get it from a background check at their own expense. I refuse to give it voluntarily.
knightress_oxhide on
adults who snuck in to see r rated movies now want all their childrens information on the web. psychos.
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I always find it odd that the discussion on these is focussed solely on the privacy concerns, rather than the fact that the measures generally don’t work. Generally they lead to a surge in traffic to competing unregulated platforms that operate outside of the relevant jurisdiction or to services that allow circumvention like proxies, vpns, tor, torrents etc.
>“We don’t allow children to walk into bars or bottle shops, adult stores or casinos, but when it comes to online spaces where they are spending a lot of their time there are no such safeguards,“ Ms Inman Grant said.
It’s comments like this that annoy me the most, because this is intentionally overlooking that there’s a very fundamental difference between preventing physical and digital access.
It’s kind of difficult for a casino to not notice that one of their customers is three feet tall and wearing school uniform, and generally legislators aren’t too fussed about trying to prevent kids from flying to Russia on their lunch breaks to gamble or watch adult content. But website operators have to collect incredibly sensitive data to generate even an unreliable age estimate which is incredibly easy to spoof, and users that don’t want to do that can go to Russia (or anywhere else that doesn’t give a fuck) by simply typing in a different URL.
Presenting these as somehow analogous is just outright disingenuous. The worst part is that all these schemes worldwide are suddenly being implemented at great cost with no follow up to measure efficacy.
Anyone remember the age verification in the Leisure Suit Larry games? It was just a series of questions children shouldn’t know the answer to. Let’s just do that.
You know who is gonna do the age ratings for the games my chikd wants to play? Me
Protect the children but hide the Epstein files.
Australia should just copy California’s law. Makes it easier for everyone.
Is this the First step for Ultra Porn?
CDs making a comeback?
This will erode the already slim privacy we once had.
I’ll get some VPN since my country will start this crap in a week from now but it might not be enough.
They will also roll out ID verification on OS level.
Maybe I’ll have to finnaly instal some shady Linux distro to protect myself.
Proper zero knowledge implementation or no deal, the whole ’send us your passport<or equivalent>‘ is just begging hackers to attack whoever that identity provider is.
How about parents just read the age rating and hold them accountable for buying their kids something they shouldn’t. They compare it to alcohol, but Its a crime to let them have alcohol.
That title tells me the author doesn’t know jack shit about games or websites
Just make a new PG rated web for Kids and digital services and leave the rest of the web for adults, all this age verification BS is ruining an already struggling enterprise that used to flourish.
We need to be thinking on how to get the internet back to it’s former glory not age checking it to death with bots
Can this code be taken to court?
The part that never gets enough attention: whoever ends up operating these age verification systems becomes a massive honeypot. You’re building a centralized database that links real identities to every adult website and R-rated game someone visits. That’s not just a privacy concern — it’s a data breach waiting to happen.
And when (not if) that breach occurs, you’re not just leaking email addresses. You’re leaking a detailed map of someone’s browsing habits tied to their government ID. The Ashley Madison breach was devastating and that was just a dating site. Now imagine that but with browsing history attached.
The whole „we’ll use a third-party verifier so the sites never see your ID“ argument falls apart when you realize the third party still has all the data. You’ve just moved the target, not eliminated it.
The privacy violation is the point.
Damn guess parents don’t have to be parents anymore…
I refuse to even enter my birthdate on Suno. I paid for an annual membership and months later they decided to require a birthdate or they lock you out of your account. They can get fucked as I’m willing to take them to court over it on principle alone. They have my payment method and billing details. If they want my birthdate they can get it from a background check at their own expense. I refuse to give it voluntarily.
adults who snuck in to see r rated movies now want all their childrens information on the web. psychos.