We’re seeing more and more how multiple parties are stupid under our current structure. It only leads to partisanship rather than doing the job of governing.
AwesomeWildlife on
I also don’t want people who lose their ridings to be able to parachute into another riding. People also have to have lived in the riding for a minimum of 5 years before they can run.
ZooberFry on
100%
You can argue that Canadians ’should‘ vote for the person and not the party, but 98% of people do not vote that way. They vote for the party.
I don’t care if you’re Liberal, Conservative or NDP. Any floor-crossing should trigger an immediate byelection, regardless of who it benefits or hurts.
Not having that trigger in place causes Canadians to further distrust the system and government, more than they already do.
erasmus_phillo on
While I agree with this point of view, seeing Poilievre sweat over all the MPs leaving his party is entertaining
FerretAres on
It just makes sense. I know blah blah Westminster system allows for it but for all practical purposes when you run under the banner of one political party, voters expect that you agree with and will represent the platform put forward by that party.
When someone crosses the floor they’re stating they no longer agree with the platform that they were elected to represent. It should be the right of the constituents to determine if those new values they claim to represent are aligned with their interests.
gorschkov on
I hate to say it but we need a good round of electoral reform. How our system is designed to work and how the overwhelming majority of people use our system is not inline and it should be adjusted.
brumac44 on
I’m happy for conservatives to cross the floor, but if I voted for them, I’d be pissed. Immediate by-election is the only way to be fair to constituents.
RudeTudeDude_ on
lol. Two months ago Reddit was working overtime trying to convince everybody that we vote for the individual MP’s and their ambitions over party policies and ideologies.
a_sad_and_slow_handy on
I mean on some level but I would also like the work to get done without facing obstruction and delays every step of the way.
perjury0478 on
Yeap, let’s do this at the same time we get rid of first past the post, as I’d rather not have a representative that’s only backed by 35% of the vote.
gcerullo on
Never going to happen. Even if they put this to a vote in parliament very few MPs will vote in favour, especially in the two big parties, because they know they benefit most from this when they find themselves in power.
SouthHovercraft4150 on
Most Canadians are saying they don’t vote for a person, they vote for a party. Not surprising.
Wa1ru524 on
It’s funny it’s like people are just finding out how our government works. Your riding you voted in you voted for the person, now if that person decides that the liberals/conservatives etc will be better for their riding then they can cross the floor or act as an independent.
The problem is, is that when you talk to the average voter they think they voted for the party and not the individual…. They think they are voting for Pierre or Mark, but in fact they are voting for the individual who is going to represent them in Ottawa. If you want to vote for the party leader you must be a member of that party, so that you can vote for the next leader of your preferred party.
USSMarauder on
Nothing about demanding by-elections when Alleslev crossed the floor to join the CPC
We are taught in grade school that you vote for the person, as it is their job to do what is in the best interest for the riding. Parties are second – constituents first, then the party.
But we have developed such an „us vs them“ mentality that we would rather have someone stay on team A or B to spite ourselves.
Perhaps we need voter education on how the system works and WHY it was designed that way, instead of simply adding another reason to further polarize our elected representatives.
--prism on
If we aren’t voting for individual representatives then we should just have proportional representation. Our current system is based on the notion that we vote for individual MPs. That comes with floor crossing. Otherwise, we should just make bigger changes and make it more party based.
Octopub on
Agree. And while we’re at it let’s make sure that the candidates actually live in the riding (looking at you PP)
Ecstatic_Doughnut216 on
I’m sure they’ll get around to implementing those changes right after reforming FPP. /s
NZafe on
A lot of voters need to look internally and actually articulate what policies they are voting for. A lot of people will realize that Carney’s liberals are already very central and have been proposing policies that align with the federal conservative views and values.
Meaning that the “floor crossing” isn’t actually what it is being made out to be. Instead you have the more central conservative MPs voting for “liberal” policies that align with their values.
But instead, we are locked in to this culture war of “left versus right” and “own the libs” with zero understanding of party policy.
redcurb12 on
i get why people want this but at the same
time people must understand that it would interfere with parliamentary privilege, 100s of years of westminster tradition and require a constitutional amendment.
legally and constitutionally the seat belongs to the mp it doesnt belong to the party and they must be free to act according to their conscience.
we would have better luck passing a bill that requires them to sit as independent until the end of session.
ultimately the people will get a chance to decide in the next election anyways.
houseonpost on
I personally disagree as it gives too much power to the leader of the party.
Having said that, Buckley Belanger was Liberal MLA in Saskatchewan. He resigned and ran in the by-election as a New Democrat. He was re-elected with over 90% of the vote and served for several years in Premier Romanow’s and Premier Calvert’s cabinets. He now sits in Prime Minister Carney’s cabinet. Great guy
bravado on
Uh no, why would you want to punish your representative for doing something independent and take a risk? This poll just shows that Canadians want MPs that follow the party line. Then why have MPs?
picard102 on
Plenty of Canadians are idiots.
1000DeadFlies on
Honestly the answer is to eliminate parties and instead have an entire government composed of Independent MP’s. Eliminating floor crossings, just makes the parties more polarized, and will create more tribalism in politics. The people often don’t know what they need anyways, otherwise they’d know how their own political system worked. Ignorance isn’t a shield it’s a crutch.
Rehypothecator on
No we don’t
Thanato26 on
To bad Pierre and most of the conservarices voted down that possibility in 2012
EternalFootman110725 on
So, all politics are federal?
DryMeeting2302 on
If the conservatives think that constituents vote for the party not the person, they **must** support the proportional representation… right?
WineNot2Drink on
So PP getting a seat he didn’t earn should also be not allowed too right?
CobblePots95 on
Seems reasonable, but people also don’t consider how this would concentrate power even more into party leadership/PMOs. What if a leader is subject to some huge scandal and 30 of their MPs cross the floor to sit as Independents? We’re going to have 30 by elections?
To me there should just be attainable recall legislation. The bar should be high, but it should be reachable. That would put more power in the hands of MPs and make governments even more responsive to Canadians.
confusingphilosopher on
We elect people to represent us, not the party they are a member of. I see the ability for MPs to cross the floor to be a feature of the system, not a flaw. MP should have flexibility to join the party with the best interests of their constituents if they feel so.
People can disagree with that statement, and I’d say they need to actually listen to local election debates and understand the candidates, not just the parties. If they did, we’d stop electing disgraceful people like Sylvia Jones. And if they really do want to vote for a party, then support electoral reform.
And MPs are basically always to lose their seat at the next election if they cross the floor so lets not pretend its a brilliant career move when it happens – its a risky one.
Bad_Day_Moose on
Well I want voters to vote for the person they think will do best for their constituents/community instead of blindly voting for a party.
Think that will happen?
flyby196999 on
I disagree, I think this is an effective parliamentary tool to weed out and communicate to a particular party that their leadership is not cut out for the job. It sends a message that leadership needs to change.
Head-Ordinary-4349 on
We vote for the representative right, not the party? Doesn’t this contradict this?
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Im as left as they come, and i agree.
We’re seeing more and more how multiple parties are stupid under our current structure. It only leads to partisanship rather than doing the job of governing.
I also don’t want people who lose their ridings to be able to parachute into another riding. People also have to have lived in the riding for a minimum of 5 years before they can run.
100%
You can argue that Canadians ’should‘ vote for the person and not the party, but 98% of people do not vote that way. They vote for the party.
I don’t care if you’re Liberal, Conservative or NDP. Any floor-crossing should trigger an immediate byelection, regardless of who it benefits or hurts.
Not having that trigger in place causes Canadians to further distrust the system and government, more than they already do.
While I agree with this point of view, seeing Poilievre sweat over all the MPs leaving his party is entertaining
It just makes sense. I know blah blah Westminster system allows for it but for all practical purposes when you run under the banner of one political party, voters expect that you agree with and will represent the platform put forward by that party.
When someone crosses the floor they’re stating they no longer agree with the platform that they were elected to represent. It should be the right of the constituents to determine if those new values they claim to represent are aligned with their interests.
I hate to say it but we need a good round of electoral reform. How our system is designed to work and how the overwhelming majority of people use our system is not inline and it should be adjusted.
I’m happy for conservatives to cross the floor, but if I voted for them, I’d be pissed. Immediate by-election is the only way to be fair to constituents.
lol. Two months ago Reddit was working overtime trying to convince everybody that we vote for the individual MP’s and their ambitions over party policies and ideologies.
I mean on some level but I would also like the work to get done without facing obstruction and delays every step of the way.
Yeap, let’s do this at the same time we get rid of first past the post, as I’d rather not have a representative that’s only backed by 35% of the vote.
Never going to happen. Even if they put this to a vote in parliament very few MPs will vote in favour, especially in the two big parties, because they know they benefit most from this when they find themselves in power.
Most Canadians are saying they don’t vote for a person, they vote for a party. Not surprising.
It’s funny it’s like people are just finding out how our government works. Your riding you voted in you voted for the person, now if that person decides that the liberals/conservatives etc will be better for their riding then they can cross the floor or act as an independent.
The problem is, is that when you talk to the average voter they think they voted for the party and not the individual…. They think they are voting for Pierre or Mark, but in fact they are voting for the individual who is going to represent them in Ottawa. If you want to vote for the party leader you must be a member of that party, so that you can vote for the next leader of your preferred party.
Nothing about demanding by-elections when Alleslev crossed the floor to join the CPC
[https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-alleslev-defection-shows-trudeau-faces-internal-battles](https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-alleslev-defection-shows-trudeau-faces-internal-battles)
We are taught in grade school that you vote for the person, as it is their job to do what is in the best interest for the riding. Parties are second – constituents first, then the party.
But we have developed such an „us vs them“ mentality that we would rather have someone stay on team A or B to spite ourselves.
Perhaps we need voter education on how the system works and WHY it was designed that way, instead of simply adding another reason to further polarize our elected representatives.
If we aren’t voting for individual representatives then we should just have proportional representation. Our current system is based on the notion that we vote for individual MPs. That comes with floor crossing. Otherwise, we should just make bigger changes and make it more party based.
Agree. And while we’re at it let’s make sure that the candidates actually live in the riding (looking at you PP)
I’m sure they’ll get around to implementing those changes right after reforming FPP. /s
A lot of voters need to look internally and actually articulate what policies they are voting for. A lot of people will realize that Carney’s liberals are already very central and have been proposing policies that align with the federal conservative views and values.
Meaning that the “floor crossing” isn’t actually what it is being made out to be. Instead you have the more central conservative MPs voting for “liberal” policies that align with their values.
But instead, we are locked in to this culture war of “left versus right” and “own the libs” with zero understanding of party policy.
i get why people want this but at the same
time people must understand that it would interfere with parliamentary privilege, 100s of years of westminster tradition and require a constitutional amendment.
legally and constitutionally the seat belongs to the mp it doesnt belong to the party and they must be free to act according to their conscience.
we would have better luck passing a bill that requires them to sit as independent until the end of session.
ultimately the people will get a chance to decide in the next election anyways.
I personally disagree as it gives too much power to the leader of the party.
Having said that, Buckley Belanger was Liberal MLA in Saskatchewan. He resigned and ran in the by-election as a New Democrat. He was re-elected with over 90% of the vote and served for several years in Premier Romanow’s and Premier Calvert’s cabinets. He now sits in Prime Minister Carney’s cabinet. Great guy
Uh no, why would you want to punish your representative for doing something independent and take a risk? This poll just shows that Canadians want MPs that follow the party line. Then why have MPs?
Plenty of Canadians are idiots.
Honestly the answer is to eliminate parties and instead have an entire government composed of Independent MP’s. Eliminating floor crossings, just makes the parties more polarized, and will create more tribalism in politics. The people often don’t know what they need anyways, otherwise they’d know how their own political system worked. Ignorance isn’t a shield it’s a crutch.
No we don’t
To bad Pierre and most of the conservarices voted down that possibility in 2012
So, all politics are federal?
If the conservatives think that constituents vote for the party not the person, they **must** support the proportional representation… right?
So PP getting a seat he didn’t earn should also be not allowed too right?
Seems reasonable, but people also don’t consider how this would concentrate power even more into party leadership/PMOs. What if a leader is subject to some huge scandal and 30 of their MPs cross the floor to sit as Independents? We’re going to have 30 by elections?
To me there should just be attainable recall legislation. The bar should be high, but it should be reachable. That would put more power in the hands of MPs and make governments even more responsive to Canadians.
We elect people to represent us, not the party they are a member of. I see the ability for MPs to cross the floor to be a feature of the system, not a flaw. MP should have flexibility to join the party with the best interests of their constituents if they feel so.
People can disagree with that statement, and I’d say they need to actually listen to local election debates and understand the candidates, not just the parties. If they did, we’d stop electing disgraceful people like Sylvia Jones. And if they really do want to vote for a party, then support electoral reform.
And MPs are basically always to lose their seat at the next election if they cross the floor so lets not pretend its a brilliant career move when it happens – its a risky one.
Well I want voters to vote for the person they think will do best for their constituents/community instead of blindly voting for a party.
Think that will happen?
I disagree, I think this is an effective parliamentary tool to weed out and communicate to a particular party that their leadership is not cut out for the job. It sends a message that leadership needs to change.
We vote for the representative right, not the party? Doesn’t this contradict this?