In other words, ANY media that was created by AI is fair use (corrected: public domain) for everyone. This should bode well for all those AI companies, right?
Haunterblademoi on
So the copyright belongs to AI itself, as far as I can see.
Aadi_880 on
Fair disclaimer.
This does not exactly apply to ai assisted content.
AI generated and AI assisted aren’t the same.
DutchTookMyColonies on
seriosuly? some piece of greed shit wanted to copyright ai bullshit? holy Jesus common, from all the seven deadly sins Greed just wins without even trying.
theverge on
Thanks for sharing this! Here’s a bit from the article:
The US Supreme Court has declined to hear a case over whether AI-generated art can obtain a copyright, as reported earlier by Reuters. The Monday decision comes after Stephen Thaler, a computer scientist from Missouri, appealed a court’s decision to uphold a ruling that found AI-generated art can’t be copyrighted.
In 2019, the US Copyright Office rejected Thaler’s request to copyright an image, called A Recent Entrance to Paradise, on behalf of an algorithm he created. The Copyright Office reviewed the decision in 2022 and determined that the image doesn’t include “human authorship,” disqualifying it from copyright protection.
I can hear the collective sigh of relief from human artists everywhere. Though honestly, watching people try to aggressively copyright their prompt engineering was getting pretty exhausting. ‚But I typed „cyberpunk cat“ really specifically!‘
nihiltres on
The catch is that the Copyright Office says that works that involve both human and AI contributions are copyrightable, but AI-generated *elements* don’t get copyright protection even within a copyrightable hybrid work.
That quickly complicates matters, because some of the tools make it easier to put amounts of human work in, especially with tools like ControlNet that push a locally-run model to follow one or more other images as guides. If you can do a rough sketch to set composition, slap down an OpenPose skeleton, and then specify character details in a prompt … there’s a decent argument that most of the composition was created by a human even if zero of the pixels were.
If someone can’t reasonably *tell* what parts are human and what not, then the distinction of copyrightability barely matters in practice; you can’t be *sure* that any given element is public domain. While the Copyright Office asks registrants to specify what parts of a hybrid work are AI … if people can’t independently *verify* the fact, what’s stopping someone from simply lying?
In the long run, this isn’t a significant victory against AI. The better question would be whether the *model weights* (the “connection strengths” between its “neurons”) are copyrightable. I think that the answer to that must be “no”, based on AI companies’ own arguments that their training on unlicensed works is not copyright infringement. If training in that way is legal, then “distillation” (training a new model on another’s outputs to copy the other’s function) should logically also be *even more* legal (since the outputs aren’t copyrightable). This is significant because it would remove most of the ability to monopolize a model via copyright: if anyone with enough computational power to train a model can legally copy your model out from under you…
… the catch is that to get precedent for distillation being legal, someone’s presumably going to have to be sued by an AI company who will have billions of ~~dollars~~ reasons to do everything possible to sue them into the ground, and few sane people would want to be that person.
RipperCrew on
The monkey selfie case is an interesting read. Im sure it will come up.
dream_metrics on
there is so much misinformation about this story, even from the outlets reporting it. this title is incorrect.
what has been decided here is that a machine cannot hold copyright. not that AI generated or assisted works cannot enjoy copyright protection.
currently, copyright is not supposed to be granted for fully AI generated works, but AI assisted works, that include human elements, can and are being copyrighted right now.
SgtNeilDiamond on
I bet Disney is thrilled about this lol
africabound on
Does this include Disney?
Altruistic-Toe-5990 on
I wish this applied to code. But fuck developers right
Theyna on
This should mean AI generated corporate works can’t be copyrighted either. Engineering schematics, art designs, whatever else these businesses use it for. But we all know that won’t be the case.
paperboy82 on
Good, it shouldn’t be.
FlyingDreamWhale67 on
Mexico’s Supreme Court did this too last year. Looks like the courts aren’t too keen on the idea of AI being copyright protected
TopTippityTop on
Nothing’s changed. If you press a button, you can’t copyright the output of the AI. If there’s more human input, you can.
Traditional_Frame418 on
Very interested how this will play out with AI altered material. Does this mean I can take media, edit it with AI, then it’s no longer copyrighted material?
This would put all IP in a massive grey area.
RedditsDeadlySin on
Looks like any AI game is open to be downloaded for free then legally.
Traditional-Hat-952 on
They way companies will get around this is they’ll create AI art, and then have a human go in and tweak some things, and then BAM now it’s not copyrightable!
Technical-County-727 on
What does this mean in reality for, lets say, game developers? You can prompt an image, drop some photoshop on top and it is copyrightable after that?
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In other words, ANY media that was created by AI is fair use (corrected: public domain) for everyone. This should bode well for all those AI companies, right?
So the copyright belongs to AI itself, as far as I can see.
Fair disclaimer.
This does not exactly apply to ai assisted content.
AI generated and AI assisted aren’t the same.
seriosuly? some piece of greed shit wanted to copyright ai bullshit? holy Jesus common, from all the seven deadly sins Greed just wins without even trying.
Thanks for sharing this! Here’s a bit from the article:
The US Supreme Court has declined to hear a case over whether AI-generated art can obtain a copyright, as reported earlier by Reuters. The Monday decision comes after Stephen Thaler, a computer scientist from Missouri, appealed a court’s decision to uphold a ruling that found AI-generated art can’t be copyrighted.
In 2019, the US Copyright Office rejected Thaler’s request to copyright an image, called A Recent Entrance to Paradise, on behalf of an algorithm he created. The Copyright Office reviewed the decision in 2022 and determined that the image doesn’t include “human authorship,” disqualifying it from copyright protection.
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I can hear the collective sigh of relief from human artists everywhere. Though honestly, watching people try to aggressively copyright their prompt engineering was getting pretty exhausting. ‚But I typed „cyberpunk cat“ really specifically!‘
The catch is that the Copyright Office says that works that involve both human and AI contributions are copyrightable, but AI-generated *elements* don’t get copyright protection even within a copyrightable hybrid work.
That quickly complicates matters, because some of the tools make it easier to put amounts of human work in, especially with tools like ControlNet that push a locally-run model to follow one or more other images as guides. If you can do a rough sketch to set composition, slap down an OpenPose skeleton, and then specify character details in a prompt … there’s a decent argument that most of the composition was created by a human even if zero of the pixels were.
If someone can’t reasonably *tell* what parts are human and what not, then the distinction of copyrightability barely matters in practice; you can’t be *sure* that any given element is public domain. While the Copyright Office asks registrants to specify what parts of a hybrid work are AI … if people can’t independently *verify* the fact, what’s stopping someone from simply lying?
In the long run, this isn’t a significant victory against AI. The better question would be whether the *model weights* (the “connection strengths” between its “neurons”) are copyrightable. I think that the answer to that must be “no”, based on AI companies’ own arguments that their training on unlicensed works is not copyright infringement. If training in that way is legal, then “distillation” (training a new model on another’s outputs to copy the other’s function) should logically also be *even more* legal (since the outputs aren’t copyrightable). This is significant because it would remove most of the ability to monopolize a model via copyright: if anyone with enough computational power to train a model can legally copy your model out from under you…
… the catch is that to get precedent for distillation being legal, someone’s presumably going to have to be sued by an AI company who will have billions of ~~dollars~~ reasons to do everything possible to sue them into the ground, and few sane people would want to be that person.
The monkey selfie case is an interesting read. Im sure it will come up.
there is so much misinformation about this story, even from the outlets reporting it. this title is incorrect.
what has been decided here is that a machine cannot hold copyright. not that AI generated or assisted works cannot enjoy copyright protection.
currently, copyright is not supposed to be granted for fully AI generated works, but AI assisted works, that include human elements, can and are being copyrighted right now.
I bet Disney is thrilled about this lol
Does this include Disney?
I wish this applied to code. But fuck developers right
This should mean AI generated corporate works can’t be copyrighted either. Engineering schematics, art designs, whatever else these businesses use it for. But we all know that won’t be the case.
Good, it shouldn’t be.
Mexico’s Supreme Court did this too last year. Looks like the courts aren’t too keen on the idea of AI being copyright protected
Nothing’s changed. If you press a button, you can’t copyright the output of the AI. If there’s more human input, you can.
Very interested how this will play out with AI altered material. Does this mean I can take media, edit it with AI, then it’s no longer copyrighted material?
This would put all IP in a massive grey area.
Looks like any AI game is open to be downloaded for free then legally.
They way companies will get around this is they’ll create AI art, and then have a human go in and tweak some things, and then BAM now it’s not copyrightable!
What does this mean in reality for, lets say, game developers? You can prompt an image, drop some photoshop on top and it is copyrightable after that?