Oh no! They might have to boost pay and offer fair working conditions rather than dubious self employment, to get Brits who disappeared off to better supermarket jobs back. Won’t anyone think of the poor private equity backers!
Hollywood-is-DOA on
Make British people work in care homes, if they are fit and healthy. It’s simply really and stop employing people in basic jobs for the NHS, we have 100k trained doctors who can’t get jobs in the NHS, as we hire from aboard first, which is stupidity.
Jack5970 on
Then train more nurses domestically and actually pay a fair wage for the work, considering how much care costs the fact carers are paid so little is scandalous, where is all the money going?
ConsciousStop on
Train our own NEETS and provide good pay to retain qualified professionals.
EastRiding on
The age group most dependent on these services also want this drop, in fact this drop is just a drop in the ocean of what they want. It’s disappointing for those of us who have less immigration based fears having reduced or worse services but that’s the FPTP system we have, everything can be (incorrectly, or maybe, without nuance) boiled down to one issue for a large enough slice of the population to guarantee power.
Given our country cannot sustain any debate on these issues in good faith means we are not going to see changes without significant demographic changes.
Unlikely_Chemical517 on
Every entry level job posting for the NHS gets inundated with hundreds/thousands of replies just hours after listing.
AdolsLostSword on
Better offer better pay and conditions then, which is how a labour market is supposed to work when you have to compete for labourers.
andyjett543 on
My mum trained a nurse right off the bat at 16 in the 60s, now you have many hoops to get through
merryman1 on
Don’t worry Reform have some really great ideas for how to deal with this.
Literally offer better pay and more people in the uk will move into these roles.
Simply put, the hours, salary and type of work requires more pay, but it’s easier to import cheaper labour who are less likely to strike for better conditions and are more prepared to be exploited by their employers.
It’s simple supply and demand. You want labor, the employee wants pay to reflect that labour. Labour shortage = business has to offer more to attract labour. However, as businesses have had an open tap to import cheaper labour, it meant that it was an employers market, resulting in disgusting salary and pay conditions. Now the taps closing, and the businesses are complaining in the hope they can get the government to keep the tap open.
When (depending on the super market) you’re getting paid better to stack shelves then you are helping people, there’s something fundamentally flawed going on.
Haulvern on
We need to stop our reliance on overseas workers. One day they will get old too, it’s just forcing the problem onto the next generation. We have 2 million unemployed. I work in care, I don’t like it but it is what it is.
South_Buy_3175 on
Oh no! The cheap labour we exploited for years has dried up?
Better start training and offering better wages and working conditions then.
LonelyStranger8467 on
If we don’t have enough care workers now after important hundreds of thousands within a few years, then we will never have enough and even more evidence the system was just being exploited.
Train more doctors and nurses. We know we don’t have enough training spaces for the British people who WANT to do it. That’s a choice we could have made decades ago.
Stop taking all the profits out of care and pay better salaries.
Ambitious_Topic_9827 on
There used to be a time 15 years ago when you could work bank shifts on the wards for 13 pounds an hour plus 33/66pc. Lots of people would do an overtime shift even if it wasn’t their regular job (I would be in charge of giving out drinks). Those working conditions, salary and people’s expectations have long since travelled south
JLaws23 on
Oh no!!! They finally have to pay liveable wages to people that are studying to be nurses in Britain!!!
I legit know 5 people that have studied to become nurses in the U.K. and can’t get jobs. They’re crying because they want to give billions to groups like Palantir but they can’t pay a nurse a normal wage.
tb5841 on
Care homes cost an enormous proportion of council budgets. If we pay care workers more but don’t give councils more money, lots of councils will go bankrupt.
MoleWhackSupreme on
Shareholders and those who receive care funded by the state who paid £4 and a packet of crisps for their house now worth £500k are going to have to pay more.
It’s literally that simple, but since it involves the largest most highly motivated voting block paying a little bit more it won’t happen.
BladderWrecker on
I worked in dementia care homes for a few years, and I don’t necessarily mind the minimum wage (as it is now) – the working conditions were atrocious, however. I have never since worked in a more unprofessional environment in terms of how the staff team behaved, and the gut punch that no matter how hard you try, the staffing ratios would never allow you to provide good care. As a fairly mild example (there were much, much worse things than this), we had a garden for residents to enjoy in warm weather, but staff or visitors needed to accompany them to go outside. Due the the 1:10 staffing ratio, this was never feasible, so for those who didn’t have family/friends/etc who took them outside, there would be people who lived right outside a garden, but had not been outside in years.
This isn’t an isolated thing either, I worked in a few different care homes before calling it quits, some I believe deserve to be shut down, and my friends who also worked in care had similar experience.
yubnubster on
Good time to train up all those unemployed people then.
ironyperson on
You scream and cry for less immigrants, this is what you get.
PickleMortyCoDm on
It’s a shame Britain won’t invest the time into their own people instead of relying on workers coming in from abroad because it’s cheaper in the short run…
Boring_Gas1397 on
We have plenty of unemployed nurses atm, especially grad ones that cannot find a job. Many enter care sector due to it.
We all know the issue with 1000s of unemployed doctors too (thanks Boris)
M_M_X_X_V on
Why do they keep rejecting my applications then, claiming they can’t even give feedback owing to the high volume of applications?
Ready_Register1689 on
Enjoy. The sooner people realise this country is held up by immigrants the better off we’ll be. English people don’t want to work any more
Diastrous_Lie on
Make care worker placements mandatory part of education
Once a week a student can help out for half a day
Back in my day students did volunteering during A Levels outside of school but organised by the school and at the end of the year it became a recognised Award
bugabooandtwo on
Good. No more shortcuts. Build up the education system and make sure you have the homegrown talent to fill all job fields. Then pay your workers a living wage. That’s how you build a strong country.
Sunshinetrooper87 on
I see this in my local council, they can’t get the staff for certain positions since Brexit and now the average age of workers in those positions is 57 years old and only 1/3 of replenishment is happening from people in their 20s.
It’s taken since Brexit this long to realise, they have to train internally but that now requires a masters and professional exams, so the placements tend to be 1-2 every two years which doesn’t meet demand. They also seem to not understand that they will lose those tech and assistant people and they need replaced.
This is set against huge issues balancing budgets due to the squeezes in council income for years. So basically an easy solution with a costly implementation.
We had our cake and ate it.
SnooTomatoes2939 on
Can those workers afford a decent life in the UK with that pay while also planning for their future? If the answer is no, then you will understand why they are not coming.
Prize-Meeting-7101 on
Plenty of unemployed folks here in the uk on benefits.
The_1_man_riot on
British jobs for British people. End this bollocks now…
Underscores_Are_Kool on
I know what we need. Let’s increase immigration from mainly South Asian countries. We could call it a „wave“ of some sort.
Either that or increase taxes to fund… Oh no increased taxes??? Well how about we underfund public servi… No, not that either. Oh how about we deficit spend… No, not that either…
Well, I guess it must be the fault of the „Elites“. Yes, that’s the problem!
Agitated_Swan104 on
Oh no! Maybe they will have to employ the young people that are already here!
CandleAffectionate25 on
Good. Now all our thousands of newly qualified nurses might actually get a job!!!!
Ukexpat696969 on
Pain = demand = price increases to attract home grown talent. Or robots
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Oh no! They might have to boost pay and offer fair working conditions rather than dubious self employment, to get Brits who disappeared off to better supermarket jobs back. Won’t anyone think of the poor private equity backers!
Make British people work in care homes, if they are fit and healthy. It’s simply really and stop employing people in basic jobs for the NHS, we have 100k trained doctors who can’t get jobs in the NHS, as we hire from aboard first, which is stupidity.
Then train more nurses domestically and actually pay a fair wage for the work, considering how much care costs the fact carers are paid so little is scandalous, where is all the money going?
Train our own NEETS and provide good pay to retain qualified professionals.
The age group most dependent on these services also want this drop, in fact this drop is just a drop in the ocean of what they want. It’s disappointing for those of us who have less immigration based fears having reduced or worse services but that’s the FPTP system we have, everything can be (incorrectly, or maybe, without nuance) boiled down to one issue for a large enough slice of the population to guarantee power.
Given our country cannot sustain any debate on these issues in good faith means we are not going to see changes without significant demographic changes.
Every entry level job posting for the NHS gets inundated with hundreds/thousands of replies just hours after listing.
Better offer better pay and conditions then, which is how a labour market is supposed to work when you have to compete for labourers.
My mum trained a nurse right off the bat at 16 in the 60s, now you have many hoops to get through
Don’t worry Reform have some really great ideas for how to deal with this.
Like… Uh… [Begging Westminster to change their mind and issue more visas for low-skill low-pay workers to flood into the UK](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx201znge11o).
Literally offer better pay and more people in the uk will move into these roles.
Simply put, the hours, salary and type of work requires more pay, but it’s easier to import cheaper labour who are less likely to strike for better conditions and are more prepared to be exploited by their employers.
It’s simple supply and demand. You want labor, the employee wants pay to reflect that labour. Labour shortage = business has to offer more to attract labour. However, as businesses have had an open tap to import cheaper labour, it meant that it was an employers market, resulting in disgusting salary and pay conditions. Now the taps closing, and the businesses are complaining in the hope they can get the government to keep the tap open.
When (depending on the super market) you’re getting paid better to stack shelves then you are helping people, there’s something fundamentally flawed going on.
We need to stop our reliance on overseas workers. One day they will get old too, it’s just forcing the problem onto the next generation. We have 2 million unemployed. I work in care, I don’t like it but it is what it is.
Oh no! The cheap labour we exploited for years has dried up?
Better start training and offering better wages and working conditions then.
If we don’t have enough care workers now after important hundreds of thousands within a few years, then we will never have enough and even more evidence the system was just being exploited.
Train more doctors and nurses. We know we don’t have enough training spaces for the British people who WANT to do it. That’s a choice we could have made decades ago.
Stop taking all the profits out of care and pay better salaries.
There used to be a time 15 years ago when you could work bank shifts on the wards for 13 pounds an hour plus 33/66pc. Lots of people would do an overtime shift even if it wasn’t their regular job (I would be in charge of giving out drinks). Those working conditions, salary and people’s expectations have long since travelled south
Oh no!!! They finally have to pay liveable wages to people that are studying to be nurses in Britain!!!
I legit know 5 people that have studied to become nurses in the U.K. and can’t get jobs. They’re crying because they want to give billions to groups like Palantir but they can’t pay a nurse a normal wage.
Care homes cost an enormous proportion of council budgets. If we pay care workers more but don’t give councils more money, lots of councils will go bankrupt.
Shareholders and those who receive care funded by the state who paid £4 and a packet of crisps for their house now worth £500k are going to have to pay more.
It’s literally that simple, but since it involves the largest most highly motivated voting block paying a little bit more it won’t happen.
I worked in dementia care homes for a few years, and I don’t necessarily mind the minimum wage (as it is now) – the working conditions were atrocious, however. I have never since worked in a more unprofessional environment in terms of how the staff team behaved, and the gut punch that no matter how hard you try, the staffing ratios would never allow you to provide good care. As a fairly mild example (there were much, much worse things than this), we had a garden for residents to enjoy in warm weather, but staff or visitors needed to accompany them to go outside. Due the the 1:10 staffing ratio, this was never feasible, so for those who didn’t have family/friends/etc who took them outside, there would be people who lived right outside a garden, but had not been outside in years.
This isn’t an isolated thing either, I worked in a few different care homes before calling it quits, some I believe deserve to be shut down, and my friends who also worked in care had similar experience.
Good time to train up all those unemployed people then.
You scream and cry for less immigrants, this is what you get.
It’s a shame Britain won’t invest the time into their own people instead of relying on workers coming in from abroad because it’s cheaper in the short run…
We have plenty of unemployed nurses atm, especially grad ones that cannot find a job. Many enter care sector due to it.
We all know the issue with 1000s of unemployed doctors too (thanks Boris)
Why do they keep rejecting my applications then, claiming they can’t even give feedback owing to the high volume of applications?
Enjoy. The sooner people realise this country is held up by immigrants the better off we’ll be. English people don’t want to work any more
Make care worker placements mandatory part of education
Once a week a student can help out for half a day
Back in my day students did volunteering during A Levels outside of school but organised by the school and at the end of the year it became a recognised Award
Good. No more shortcuts. Build up the education system and make sure you have the homegrown talent to fill all job fields. Then pay your workers a living wage. That’s how you build a strong country.
I see this in my local council, they can’t get the staff for certain positions since Brexit and now the average age of workers in those positions is 57 years old and only 1/3 of replenishment is happening from people in their 20s.
It’s taken since Brexit this long to realise, they have to train internally but that now requires a masters and professional exams, so the placements tend to be 1-2 every two years which doesn’t meet demand. They also seem to not understand that they will lose those tech and assistant people and they need replaced.
This is set against huge issues balancing budgets due to the squeezes in council income for years. So basically an easy solution with a costly implementation.
We had our cake and ate it.
Can those workers afford a decent life in the UK with that pay while also planning for their future? If the answer is no, then you will understand why they are not coming.
Plenty of unemployed folks here in the uk on benefits.
British jobs for British people. End this bollocks now…
I know what we need. Let’s increase immigration from mainly South Asian countries. We could call it a „wave“ of some sort.
Either that or increase taxes to fund… Oh no increased taxes??? Well how about we underfund public servi… No, not that either. Oh how about we deficit spend… No, not that either…
Well, I guess it must be the fault of the „Elites“. Yes, that’s the problem!
Oh no! Maybe they will have to employ the young people that are already here!
Good. Now all our thousands of newly qualified nurses might actually get a job!!!!
Pain = demand = price increases to attract home grown talent. Or robots