Amazing how flamable that foam was. Took less than 10 seconds to ignite.
SwissPewPew on
Quite interesting, it took just about a second to light up the foam.
What i find also interesting is that a lot of people want to *solely* blame the bar owners due to violations of the fire safety standard (and fire safety guidelines associated with the standard). But these people seem to often forget that – no matter if/what (many) mistakes the bar owners (and potentially also the town and/or canton) made – the „helmet girl“ *also* failed her duties under the fire safety standard:
>Fire and open flames, heat, electricity and other energy types, flammable or explosive substances, as well as machinery, equipment, etc., must be handled in such a way that no fires or explosions are caused or can occur.
But if she was still alive, she would – legally – for sure be charged with the same offences that the bar owners are currently charged with.
LatterEstimate3027 on
What is exactly shocking?
iM3Phirebird on
if i were that building i would have had enough of that music as well
TheRealMudi on
> shocking new video
This video was already out the first few days.
WillingnessFinal1411 on
What’s with this swiss Eigenverantwortung? This word is so terribly abused in favour of the stronger one in relationship. It backfires when abused so strongly like in this case. It needs to, it should.
Until now media reported:
the girl was guilty for carrying fireworks she was instructed to carry,
the servers were guilty to lock the doors they were instructed to lock,
the material provider was guilty for selling the flammable material but luckily provided evidence that he was threatened for reminding them about flammability.
Nevertheless, the guests were guilty of being present?
I have a feeling the Commune will be guilty for not checking, but then again, it’s reported they all knew each other so the guilt may be somewhere else entirely.
So maybe all these Eigenverantwortungs combined, nobody carries responsibility, nobody’s accountable? Is that the swiss law? How about tens of victims‘ lawyers and real costs? Will the real costs be transparent to citizens because they will be substantial and will come from somewhere (Ausgleich?).
The word, it needs to go.
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Amazing how flamable that foam was. Took less than 10 seconds to ignite.
Quite interesting, it took just about a second to light up the foam.
What i find also interesting is that a lot of people want to *solely* blame the bar owners due to violations of the fire safety standard (and fire safety guidelines associated with the standard). But these people seem to often forget that – no matter if/what (many) mistakes the bar owners (and potentially also the town and/or canton) made – the „helmet girl“ *also* failed her duties under the fire safety standard:
>Fire and open flames, heat, electricity and other energy types, flammable or explosive substances, as well as machinery, equipment, etc., must be handled in such a way that no fires or explosions are caused or can occur.
*Source:* [*Brandschutznorm, Artikel 19, Absatz 1*](https://services2.vkf.ch/rest/public/georg/bs/publikation/documents/BSPUB-1394520214-57.pdf/content)
Do I „morally“ blame her? Not really.
But if she was still alive, she would – legally – for sure be charged with the same offences that the bar owners are currently charged with.
What is exactly shocking?
if i were that building i would have had enough of that music as well
> shocking new video
This video was already out the first few days.
What’s with this swiss Eigenverantwortung? This word is so terribly abused in favour of the stronger one in relationship. It backfires when abused so strongly like in this case. It needs to, it should.
Until now media reported:
the girl was guilty for carrying fireworks she was instructed to carry,
the servers were guilty to lock the doors they were instructed to lock,
the material provider was guilty for selling the flammable material but luckily provided evidence that he was threatened for reminding them about flammability.
Nevertheless, the guests were guilty of being present?
I have a feeling the Commune will be guilty for not checking, but then again, it’s reported they all knew each other so the guilt may be somewhere else entirely.
So maybe all these Eigenverantwortungs combined, nobody carries responsibility, nobody’s accountable? Is that the swiss law? How about tens of victims‘ lawyers and real costs? Will the real costs be transparent to citizens because they will be substantial and will come from somewhere (Ausgleich?).
The word, it needs to go.