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    Eine durchgesickerte DNC-Autopsie ergab, dass Bidens Unterstützung für Israel Harris seine Stimmen für den Präsidenten gekostet hat

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    2. Revere_AFAM on

      How about all the rest of the autopsy? You know, the parts that show why she lost the election not this cherry picked wedge that show a “net negative.”

      DNC looking to blame their voters again instead of owning up to their losing platform.

    3. qualmful on

      This could have gotten hashed out during the primary if we’d had a real primary. There were clear signs, the Uncommited movement was a big deal, something you don’t see in a regular primary. But that energy had nowhere to go and no other candidate to rally. I’m so frustrated that no one dared to run against Biden.

    5. GeorginaFlopworthy on

      Was it that Trump got many more votes than the previous times or that people didn’t turn up to vote for Harris?

      Surprised the ‚dances with neo-cons‘ thing doesn’t come up more. Seemed like such a bad move at the time (along with the Palestinian thing and her inability to separate herself from Biden).

    6. Tokens_Only on

      It’s emblematic of a broader problem: the DNC keeps blaming their voters for their losses, but they’ve been diverging from the will of their voters more and more over the last decade because they’re spooked. Dem voters believe in and want strong moral stances on things like Gaza, immigration, LGBT rights, etc. But the candidate platforms keep scurrying to the right on those specific issues because they’re afraid of being painted as radicals.

      But look at Minneapolis: these aren’t blue-haired college students coming out to scream at ICE. They’re middle aged wine moms, construction workers who’ve never protested before, women in luxury cars with Lululemon pants. Normal everyday people are demanding the Democrats stand up for something and fight back against the MAGA. They want full court press, full obstruction, full-throated pushback. And they aren’t getting it.

      Like yes, in many ways Trump’s rhetoric on Gaza is worse than Harris’s. But materially, she would’ve kept her hands behind her back too, would’ve kept selling arms to Israel too. It’s hard to argue that many more Gazans would be alive under her tenure at this point, she just would’ve given more sound bites about being „concerned and heartbroken,“ Susan Collins style. I’d love to believe different, but the evidence suggests we weren’t voting genocide vs non-genocide, we were voting genocide vs slower genocide.

      The Dems made people feel like we were all screwed, like nothing mattered, like they had no fight in them. They need to wake up and start screaming.

    7. PresidentBreeblebrox on

      Said it back then and will repeat it now, the uncommitted movement was Never a Threat but always a Warning. For the love of all we hold dear Listen next time,,, oh and before you @ me, yes I voted for your unpopular corporate neoliberal candidate

    8. MenagerieAlfred on

      – Biden runs after promising he was gonna be a transitional president.

      – Biden catastrophically keeps his position, even after the debate wasting precious time.

      – The DNC decides not to hold a primary.

      Also the dems: “this was the voters’ fault”.

    9. Wenuven on

      The DNC autopsy proving the DNC has no understanding of the average American or what they prioritize.

    11. StormbreakerHC on

      It was up to her and her campaign to get the message out to voters and she failed at every turn by listening to the wrong peopel.

      Maybe it was a big mistake to double down on Biden’s unpopular policies instead of forging your own path. 

      She repeatedly said she wouldn’t do things differently and refused to criticize Biden and it lost her the election.

    12. Sourkarate on

      This is what happens to a moron who courts the Cheneys and not the center left.

    13. dragonflyzmaximize on

      Of course it did. He supported (and by supported let’s be clear, not just with words, but with a ton of money and weapons) a state committing genocide against another people, and we all fucking watched it live streamed to us 24/7. All while being told we were overreacting, that it wasn’t what was happening, by the smug motherfuckers in his administration. Meanwhile any fucking moron with a phone could see what was going on and see that it was absolutely horrific, terrifying shit. And he enabled it. (So shut the fuck up, Hillary Clinton, btw.)

      And Harris wouldn’t distance herself from that.

      I voted for her bc I knew that Trump would be worse on so many other fronts (as we see he is), but I’m not going to sit here and pretend like Gaza is one of them, or blame those who couldn’t get past it. The entire year+ previous to Trump saw the US (and Biden/Harris) supporting a literal genocide.

      Would a Harris admin be more diplomatic about it, i.e. not talk so publicly about turning it into a golf course, or private beach-front properties or whatever? Sure, probably. Would the situation be largely the same as it is right now? Also most likely, just with a different structure designed to appease moderates while essentially doing the same thing.

    14. naththegrath10 on

      To some of you in this sub: Schrödinger’s leftist, so important that a small amount of them can sway an entire election but so unimportant that their vote shouldn’t be campaigned for

    15. ChaseThoseDreams on

      There are two truths at play here: 1) not voting for Harris was more harmful to Palestine, as Trump was exceedingly the bigger threat to them, and 2) the DNC committed malpractice by not listening to their voters and expecting their votes simply by virtue of not being Trump.

      As easy as it is to bag on voters who didn’t show up, at some point you have to hold the DNC accountable. If Trump was really the catastrophic threat to our democracy like they ran on, which he is, why didn’t the DNC course correct? Why was their pitch to the American people the status quo which was not polling well? It screams entitlement and incompetence. We should have much higher expectations of those wanting to be voted in and to lead than our voters.

    16. 17syllables on

      I remember the Convention refusing to allocate a speaking spot or airtime to this. Sanders mentioned it briefly, and they sandwiched him between two billionaires.

    17. seriousbusines on

      It’s funny how you can see this wasn’t being talked about front page for a while and now all of a sudden its really getting pushed. Keep up the good work mr robot!

    19. daveashaw on

      It certainly cost her some votes.

      Taking harder line against Netanyahu would have cost her other votes.

      These „autopsies“ are useful, but you just can’t put too much stock in them–there are just too many variable in a US national election.

    20. Wisefool157 on

      Lol Gaza was not even top 5 issue. If it was , we’re talking about the youngest voting block that has the worst turnout comparatively. They lost because they are completely out of touch and ran a poor candidate.

    21. Far_Eye6555 on

      It’s odd to me that it was suddenly forgotten around election time how natenahyu and the Kushner’s are very close family friends.

    22. monkeysknowledge on

      You can’t lecture people about civility and morality and then unquestionably back a genocide. I can imagine a younger more idealistic version of me voting third party or staying home in 2024. Not saying it was right (Gaza is in worse shape because Harris lost) but I understand the impulse to vomit in ones own mouth at the thought of voting for these hypocrites.

    23. Twiyah on

      Two things can be true

      1) DNC not listening to and ignoring their base.

      2) The voting base are idiotic enough to back or not vote to allow someone far worst take office and hurt the very cause they were for.

    24. cwk415 on

      The American people truly are the dumbest people alive. 

      I know, I’m American. 

    26. elcheapodeluxe on

      This report says net negative but makes no claim of how much. It can also safely be assumed that the DNC would have lost votes among their Jewish supporters with a harsher stance on Israel. For the GOP with a more monolithic support base – the entire scene could do nothing but benefit them. It was a tough spot regardless of what the armchair campaign managers say.

    28. merithynos on

      That was a no win situation, which was precisely the intent of the October 7th attacks. The attacks – and the inevitable response from Israel – were intended by whomever goaded Hamas into the attacks to split the Western left. I know there have been rumors that Israel knew about the planned attacks in advance, and I would not be shocked if proof eventually comes out that Netanyahu let it happen.

      It’s notable that ads were targeted at majority Jewish precincts bashing Harris for supporting Hamas, and majority Muslim precincts for supporting Israel.

    29. LazloHollifeld on

      Supporting Israel or not supporting Israel would have cost them votes either way…

    32. AnestheticAle on

      This is wild to me because I feel like the vast majority of people I interact with (in white and blue collar roles) don’t give a shit about foreign policy beyond avoiding more conflicts.

    33. augustrem on

      Does anyone have information about who or what entities did this “autopsy?”

      Because I was a staffer in leadership in a swing state and I am also in contact with many people who worked above me including people who worked directly with Kamala or Joe.

      One thing we’ve talked about consistently since this election is “who exactly are doing these autopsies? And why the hell are they not talking to us because we have a lot to say.”

      edit: nvm it says right in the article it’s the official DNC one. Anyway . . .

    34. lifeinrednblack on

      Yeah no shit

      Although the people who voted again Harris for it are also fucking short sighted idiots

    35. kaiiizen on

      Is anyone going to mention Trump’s cozy relationship with Qatar and how Qatar has been a primary financial supporter of Hamas? Make it make sense.

    38. Much-Anything7149 on

      Here’s the easy autopsy and I didn’t even need a scalpel:

      1) Biden needed to announce his stepping down after the 2022 midterm winners were seated. Then we could’ve had a proper primary to elect someone fully capable of beating Trump who has inertia from the primary victory.

      2) The DNC needed to articulate Trump’s stance on Gaza; that Biden negotiated with Israel on aid relief and press zones, etc. whereas Trump literally had zero stance to assist Gazans. Biden wasn’t great with Israel, but handing a vote to someone who will clearly be worse doesn’t make sense.

      3) Biden appointing Garland to be AG and then waiting almost 2 years to appoint a J6 special prosecutor.

    39. stackered on

      1. Israel backing wasn’t acdtually a major issue, outside of the reddit-sphere, and media, and for some fringe folks (<10% of Dems) – BUT if it was you wouldn’t have avoided voting Harris because Trump is Isreal’s #1 asset. This issue is big in the media because it’s a divisive culture war issue and there are protests that show civil unrest, which is what they want. But overall, its genuinely not something 90% of Dems care about. And again, those who do care about this issue enough to protest – if they didn’t vote against Trump, they are goofballs.

      People who say they can’t vote for fascists (then ban people for this opinion) and equate Kamala to Trump are completely disingenuous bots.

      2. The main issue was that there wasn’t a primary and that she was a woman of color, which lost a lot of voters. I don’t think there is much to say here besides that racism and misogyny lives on and that going with Kamala was a massive risk. She would’ve been 1000x the president of Trump and everyone knew it, but many voters just didn’t get out and vote because it was her.

      3. Trump literally only won 2024 via cheating – suppression tactics, illegal schemes like Elon’s pre-filled votes, possible vote manipulation being shown (electiontruthalliance.org), bomb threats on election day, millions of registered voters were unregistered a month before, etc, etc.

      This was obvious because he tried to steal an election in 2020, then spent 4 years gaslighting everyone that it was stolen only to do the same in 2024 with Elon. They basically admitted it a number of times on video (dupers delight). The data shows the same story and more and more is coming out – people even on the level called this conspiracy, because of the gaslighting and the love of pearl clutching anything not mainstream opinion. But the reality is, the GOP hasn’t won a legit election since Bush Sr. – Bush Jr. stole his, then yeah he won the re-election… then Trump got in 2016 via social engineering that majorly spawned here on reddit at The Donald and on 4chan, and spread to Facebook and elsewhere once the bots were active – some could call this a legitimate win, but to me it leans toward illegitimate, especially because its obvious Trump did collude with Russia („hoax hoax hoax“). Then 2024 was stolen again.

      Remember, literally every accusation they make and thing they label a hoax is 100% true about them. Mueller report, Panama/Paradise papers, etc, etc. prove this stuff but then MAGAt’s will say its inconclusive and therefore he’s innocent. Wild.

    40. lehcimr on

      So everyone mad about Biden’s handling of Israel decided to vote for pro-Israel Trump instead? Yeah ok…

    41. punkindle on

      Kamala was unpopular. Kamala was unlikable. Kamala was a bad choice for VP and never would have won a primary. Never. Wouldn’t have got 5% in a primary.

      Why the fuck were we stuck with Kamala?

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