I mean, yeah? Any cursory glance at pretty much any online community that involved Democratic voters in 2024 showed that it was a massive fracture point inside the party.
Holden_Coalfield on
and now there is no Gaza and many fewer Gaza residents, but newly available land there that is going to be developed by billionaires, pedophiles, and techno-ultralords
Herbivoreselector on
Everybody knew this. The DNC’s contempt for its base is endless.
_halfpint on
If only they stopped dismissing adults from 18-45 on what matters to them and their families, might have won.
Trail_Dog on
Glad the Trump presidency was such a huge win for the people of Gaza. Those protest votes really helped them.
jpk195 on
As stupid as reason to sit back let Trump win as any I’ve heard
HaroldGreenBandana on
Is there a real person who actually exists who thought that voting for Trump or not voting at all would lead to the best outcome for Gaza?
Like, seriously. If you’re out there, check in.
MalevolentTapir on
I keep seeing people say this, but I’ve never seen data on it. I guess it would be hard to poll, but it was polled prior to the election and never ranked that high as an issue.
Made_Human_Music on
So once again Israel fucked everthing up. That government is a blight on the world
And to be clear, I mean the Israeli government and not Jewish people in general
Esfahen on
AIPAC money in the democratic party is equivalent to tying one hand behind our back and shoving the other up our own ass, forced to defend ourselves with micropenis Chuck Schumer strongly worded letters.
Tamarind-Endnote on
Democrats are just fundamentally against actual campaigning.
The very idea of trying to be appealing to voters is totally against the ideology of the Democratic Party. What the Democrats call campaigning is just a way to funnel money to an army of parasitic consultants. The party’s ideas about what is „serious“ versus what is populist (which they think is synonymous with evil, naive, and stupid) cause them to constantly favor candidates who are utter losers with negative charisma who mainly convince people that it’s all pointless and they shouldn’t bother voting because it won’t accomplish anything.
The Democratic Party is just opposed to the idea that voting should mean anything, and their empty suit candidates reflect that ideology.
modernmann on
DNC. These guys are fucking dinosaurs, they all need to go
SultryyVix on
So the “secret report” confirms what we all knew. Gaza cost them votes and they ignored us anyway.
Possible_Gur4789 on
Genocide is wrong.
OhHowINeedChanging on
And also Elon helped rig the election so there’s that
MrBrobot626 on
It’s not surprising that there are still Democrat fans of genocide in here blaming Russia and Putin. I didn’t realize Putin made Biden sell arms to Israel, give them aid, and demonize protestors. That obviously worked in the Democrats favor in the 2024 election, right? I’m sure it’ll be more of the same in 2028.
beefyzac on
Leave it to Dems to waste time on a study trying to learn something they’d already know if they just listened to their voters. They’re desperate for the answer to be something else.
thisisjustascreename on
The same Gaza that Trump is about to turn into Trump branded parking lots?
Stillwater215 on
I also think that it is a bigger symptom of the progressive base of the party starting to be more outwardly vocal about them not feeling heard by the party. Between the coronation of Harris after Biden dropped out, to the ignoring of the massive protest votes against Biden during the primary, I can see lots of people saying “the democrats don’t deserve my vote just because they’re not Trump.”
caduceuz on
Folks are seeing this and still trying to act smug in the comments. It’s easy to punch down and blame others but when it’s time to hold the DNC accountable folks get quiet. If you want to win elections, you have to cater to your base. But Democrats would rather lose than take a stance that’s against their corporate overlords.
“You know why people don’t like liberals? Cause they lose. If liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so god damn always?” – The Newsroom
mAssEffectdriven on
Whats clear from the comments in this section is that die hard liberals are truly incapable of reflecting on their politics and strategy. Yes the nation under Democratic leadership would look better than it does now, but the same systems that allowed for ICE to extrajudicially murder people, for federal courts to hamper societal progress, and for politicians to hand control of our public institutions to rich pedophiles would still be in place.
Since 2008, the nation has slowly awakened to the fact that this system itself is not a tenable way to order our society. The average person is working more and benefiting less. Every aspect of our society from education to healthcare to food has gotten worse. And as much as Trump has accelerated this decline, the downward trend started way before him!
The DNC’s argument isn’t that we need a new system, its that they should be in charge of the system. So how do you expect a voting population who clearly wants to see a new system in place to come out in droves to support more of the same system? The DNC made unforced error after unforced error in 2024. No one forced the DNC to rally behind Israel. No one forced the DNC to point to the Dow Jones as proof that the economy is actually great when the average person was feeling the pinch. No one forced the DNC to lean right and audition for conservative votes.
Until I see liberals actually talking about the failings of their overpaid consultants and how it led to a swing to Trump among white female voters and latino voters, anything they have to say about Gaza is just loser talk.
HumanistSockPuppet on
I remember I was on r/Democrats talking about this and I got downvoted to oblivion, tons of arguments and pushback, and I think a warning.
The second Biden hugged Netanyahu I knew it was a wrap.
AceMcNasty88 on
Most of these Democrats are still out there funding Israel and being complicit to the genocide in Gaza. They could have had a Palestinian and an Israeli show up at the DNC convention and denounce the war from both parties but instead the DNC were like Nah.
Procrasturbasaurus on
Damn, sounds like Harris should have taken a better position on Gaza.
itsoksee on
The election was stolen by Trump and Elon.
ILovePotassium on
Since when did this sub become so full of bots? Holy shit.
They’re doing everything to make democrats and the entire left fight with each other and look how successful they are!
Instead of attacking each other, focus on the real enemy god damnit.
MisterSneakSneak on
We know this already… we don’t need a secret report coming out. Ppl threw out their votes in protest for Gaza. Those same ppl are quite now too after giving trump the win. Idiots all around
TheTokist on
Establishment Dems shocked to discover that supporting the genocide of Palestinians by Israel cost them votes.
Progressive Dems shocked to discover that someone asked them their opinion about previous elections.
ifuckinglovekoalas on
No shit. They need a fucking secret report to tell them this? Holy fuck.
comosedicewaterbed on
I’m sure it did. This single issue did not cost the Dems the election though.
When are we gonna discuss how badly the DNC botched the entirety of the 2024 cycle? Probably never, since they were never willing to discuss 2016 or 2020 either. Biden won in 2020 as a rejection of Trump’s covid policies. That’s it. Once he got into office, he was ineffectual the whole time. Dude showed visible signs of dementia and then reneged on his own promise not to run again in 24 (a politician reneging on a promise. Imagine that). Then Harris, who was so unpopular in 2020 that she withdrew before freaking Iowa, was anointed without a primary. Harris was never popular and never really gave anyone a reason to support her.
Don’t get me twisted, I voted for Harris in 24. I knew even a soggy slice of bread would be better than Trump. The electorate biffed it big time by picking Trump. Ignorant people got hoodwinked by a con artist, again. You know who else biffed it? The DoJ, who failed to convict Trump quickly enough, and who failed to enforce ANY consequences on Trump even after he was convicted. We have a 34-time felon sitting in the Oval Office, and those are just the charges that have stuck. Hell, freaking Jeb Bush could have been the (D) nominee, and I would have voted for him over Trump. Speaking of which, when Dick motherfucking Cheney endorses a Democrat, the Democrats need to rebuke that endorsement, full stop. The Dems have a war crime issue because they are COMPLICIT in war crimes.
Since 2016, the Democrats have not given voters any reason to vote *for* Dems, other than not being Trump. Hilary had a decent policy platform, but she was the embodiment of insider politics, which voters rejected. Yes, I voted for Hilary, and I think she would have been a good president, certainly better than Trump… She was never a likeable candidate, though, and the DNC undemocratically sabotaged Bernie. 2020 and 2024, what platform? The little platform that Biden had (student loan forgiveness, legalizing cannabis) didn’t stick. Harris‘ platform was „I’m the Democrat“.
When will the Democrats take responsibility for their own incompetence?
PrimaLegion on
Because surely Trump will be much better on this issue and definitely doesn’t have a long record of being worse!
CreepyNewspaper8103 on
After she takes a stronger stance for Gaza, there will be a secret report that says her support for Gaza cost her votes too. It’s a lose-lose situation given how many Jews are in the US.
higgy98 on
Anyone who didn’t vote Kamala or voted for Trump because of Gaza betrayed the people of Gaza
Alert_Site5857 on
I’m tired of being beholden to people dumb enough to fall for Jill Stein.
No_Criticism_5861 on
Does everyone remember that AI video Trump tweeted where Gaza was all developed, and there was literally a big golden Trump statue in the middle of Gaza?
I just… like… wtf is wrong with conservatives, they’re the worse people there are
Jack-Schitz on
Yeah because there are some really stupid Muslim voters in the US that thought that Mr. „Shithole Countries“ and „Muslim Ban“ would be better for the Palestinians than a Dem.
Really, it’s just misogyny and racism.
General_Nose_691 on
I don’t know why those voters couldn’t see that Kamala was going to be better for the Palestinian people than Trump. Now Trump’s talking about developing Gaza into the „Riviera of the Middle East“. I’m sure that plan doesn’t include more genocide. /s
Regardless the Democrats are controlled by centrists that hate that they have to deal with a liberal base.
WorldBoom on
I believe the term is „well, duh.“
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No duh
I mean, yeah? Any cursory glance at pretty much any online community that involved Democratic voters in 2024 showed that it was a massive fracture point inside the party.
and now there is no Gaza and many fewer Gaza residents, but newly available land there that is going to be developed by billionaires, pedophiles, and techno-ultralords
Everybody knew this. The DNC’s contempt for its base is endless.
If only they stopped dismissing adults from 18-45 on what matters to them and their families, might have won.
Glad the Trump presidency was such a huge win for the people of Gaza. Those protest votes really helped them.
As stupid as reason to sit back let Trump win as any I’ve heard
Is there a real person who actually exists who thought that voting for Trump or not voting at all would lead to the best outcome for Gaza?
Like, seriously. If you’re out there, check in.
I keep seeing people say this, but I’ve never seen data on it. I guess it would be hard to poll, but it was polled prior to the election and never ranked that high as an issue.
So once again Israel fucked everthing up. That government is a blight on the world
And to be clear, I mean the Israeli government and not Jewish people in general
AIPAC money in the democratic party is equivalent to tying one hand behind our back and shoving the other up our own ass, forced to defend ourselves with micropenis Chuck Schumer strongly worded letters.
Democrats are just fundamentally against actual campaigning.
The very idea of trying to be appealing to voters is totally against the ideology of the Democratic Party. What the Democrats call campaigning is just a way to funnel money to an army of parasitic consultants. The party’s ideas about what is „serious“ versus what is populist (which they think is synonymous with evil, naive, and stupid) cause them to constantly favor candidates who are utter losers with negative charisma who mainly convince people that it’s all pointless and they shouldn’t bother voting because it won’t accomplish anything.
The Democratic Party is just opposed to the idea that voting should mean anything, and their empty suit candidates reflect that ideology.
DNC. These guys are fucking dinosaurs, they all need to go
So the “secret report” confirms what we all knew. Gaza cost them votes and they ignored us anyway.
Genocide is wrong.
And also Elon helped rig the election so there’s that
It’s not surprising that there are still Democrat fans of genocide in here blaming Russia and Putin. I didn’t realize Putin made Biden sell arms to Israel, give them aid, and demonize protestors. That obviously worked in the Democrats favor in the 2024 election, right? I’m sure it’ll be more of the same in 2028.
Leave it to Dems to waste time on a study trying to learn something they’d already know if they just listened to their voters. They’re desperate for the answer to be something else.
The same Gaza that Trump is about to turn into Trump branded parking lots?
I also think that it is a bigger symptom of the progressive base of the party starting to be more outwardly vocal about them not feeling heard by the party. Between the coronation of Harris after Biden dropped out, to the ignoring of the massive protest votes against Biden during the primary, I can see lots of people saying “the democrats don’t deserve my vote just because they’re not Trump.”
Folks are seeing this and still trying to act smug in the comments. It’s easy to punch down and blame others but when it’s time to hold the DNC accountable folks get quiet. If you want to win elections, you have to cater to your base. But Democrats would rather lose than take a stance that’s against their corporate overlords.
“You know why people don’t like liberals? Cause they lose. If liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so god damn always?” – The Newsroom
Whats clear from the comments in this section is that die hard liberals are truly incapable of reflecting on their politics and strategy. Yes the nation under Democratic leadership would look better than it does now, but the same systems that allowed for ICE to extrajudicially murder people, for federal courts to hamper societal progress, and for politicians to hand control of our public institutions to rich pedophiles would still be in place.
Since 2008, the nation has slowly awakened to the fact that this system itself is not a tenable way to order our society. The average person is working more and benefiting less. Every aspect of our society from education to healthcare to food has gotten worse. And as much as Trump has accelerated this decline, the downward trend started way before him!
The DNC’s argument isn’t that we need a new system, its that they should be in charge of the system. So how do you expect a voting population who clearly wants to see a new system in place to come out in droves to support more of the same system? The DNC made unforced error after unforced error in 2024. No one forced the DNC to rally behind Israel. No one forced the DNC to point to the Dow Jones as proof that the economy is actually great when the average person was feeling the pinch. No one forced the DNC to lean right and audition for conservative votes.
Until I see liberals actually talking about the failings of their overpaid consultants and how it led to a swing to Trump among white female voters and latino voters, anything they have to say about Gaza is just loser talk.
I remember I was on r/Democrats talking about this and I got downvoted to oblivion, tons of arguments and pushback, and I think a warning.
The second Biden hugged Netanyahu I knew it was a wrap.
Most of these Democrats are still out there funding Israel and being complicit to the genocide in Gaza. They could have had a Palestinian and an Israeli show up at the DNC convention and denounce the war from both parties but instead the DNC were like Nah.
Damn, sounds like Harris should have taken a better position on Gaza.
The election was stolen by Trump and Elon.
Since when did this sub become so full of bots? Holy shit.
They’re doing everything to make democrats and the entire left fight with each other and look how successful they are!
Instead of attacking each other, focus on the real enemy god damnit.
We know this already… we don’t need a secret report coming out. Ppl threw out their votes in protest for Gaza. Those same ppl are quite now too after giving trump the win. Idiots all around
Establishment Dems shocked to discover that supporting the genocide of Palestinians by Israel cost them votes.
Progressive Dems shocked to discover that someone asked them their opinion about previous elections.
No shit. They need a fucking secret report to tell them this? Holy fuck.
I’m sure it did. This single issue did not cost the Dems the election though.
When are we gonna discuss how badly the DNC botched the entirety of the 2024 cycle? Probably never, since they were never willing to discuss 2016 or 2020 either. Biden won in 2020 as a rejection of Trump’s covid policies. That’s it. Once he got into office, he was ineffectual the whole time. Dude showed visible signs of dementia and then reneged on his own promise not to run again in 24 (a politician reneging on a promise. Imagine that). Then Harris, who was so unpopular in 2020 that she withdrew before freaking Iowa, was anointed without a primary. Harris was never popular and never really gave anyone a reason to support her.
Don’t get me twisted, I voted for Harris in 24. I knew even a soggy slice of bread would be better than Trump. The electorate biffed it big time by picking Trump. Ignorant people got hoodwinked by a con artist, again. You know who else biffed it? The DoJ, who failed to convict Trump quickly enough, and who failed to enforce ANY consequences on Trump even after he was convicted. We have a 34-time felon sitting in the Oval Office, and those are just the charges that have stuck. Hell, freaking Jeb Bush could have been the (D) nominee, and I would have voted for him over Trump. Speaking of which, when Dick motherfucking Cheney endorses a Democrat, the Democrats need to rebuke that endorsement, full stop. The Dems have a war crime issue because they are COMPLICIT in war crimes.
Since 2016, the Democrats have not given voters any reason to vote *for* Dems, other than not being Trump. Hilary had a decent policy platform, but she was the embodiment of insider politics, which voters rejected. Yes, I voted for Hilary, and I think she would have been a good president, certainly better than Trump… She was never a likeable candidate, though, and the DNC undemocratically sabotaged Bernie. 2020 and 2024, what platform? The little platform that Biden had (student loan forgiveness, legalizing cannabis) didn’t stick. Harris‘ platform was „I’m the Democrat“.
When will the Democrats take responsibility for their own incompetence?
Because surely Trump will be much better on this issue and definitely doesn’t have a long record of being worse!
After she takes a stronger stance for Gaza, there will be a secret report that says her support for Gaza cost her votes too. It’s a lose-lose situation given how many Jews are in the US.
Anyone who didn’t vote Kamala or voted for Trump because of Gaza betrayed the people of Gaza
I’m tired of being beholden to people dumb enough to fall for Jill Stein.
Does everyone remember that AI video Trump tweeted where Gaza was all developed, and there was literally a big golden Trump statue in the middle of Gaza?
I just… like… wtf is wrong with conservatives, they’re the worse people there are
Yeah because there are some really stupid Muslim voters in the US that thought that Mr. „Shithole Countries“ and „Muslim Ban“ would be better for the Palestinians than a Dem.
Really, it’s just misogyny and racism.
I don’t know why those voters couldn’t see that Kamala was going to be better for the Palestinian people than Trump. Now Trump’s talking about developing Gaza into the „Riviera of the Middle East“. I’m sure that plan doesn’t include more genocide. /s
Regardless the Democrats are controlled by centrists that hate that they have to deal with a liberal base.
I believe the term is „well, duh.“