*gestures to literally everything* I mean, do you blame people for not wanting to have kids?
BringBackRebecca on
Not surprising. This is going to happen everywhere on earth. Mind you, it’s not due „the economy“ like most people on this site would have you believe.
scoop813 on
Interesting such a clear red state/blue state divide
Slight_Seat_5546 on
My rate is 0. It’s too expensive to have kids.
Huge_Confidence245 on
Common Vermont W
rijkemiller on
Im surprised about Utah.
Warm_Article_2462 on
It’s a lot of things, but a main one is that we just do not value having children the way we did even a hundred years ago. It’s rank-ordered much lower on our to-do list.
We wait much longer to get married, we likely overprescribe hormonal birth control, the individual experience is valued much higher than the family unit, and in the US in particular extended family support systems are scattered or nonexistent to support mothers.
Yes the economy is a factor but it’s not the driver. Even in countries where preschool is subsidized, zero medical billing costs and all sorts of incentives like Germany — they’re doing even *worse.*
Having a family is not seen as a civic duty, having large families are seen as irresponsible, and unfortunately there’s still a lot of anti-natalist doomer rhetoric that’s having a negative impact on young people.
Dear-Original-1024 on
South Dakota needs to be studied. 9% higher tfr than the next highest state and virtually zero decline since 2019. They have a higher tfr than pretty much every developed nation on earth.
Sufficient-Ocelot996 on
The drop in fertility has occurred in lockstep step with the near eradication of unplanned teenage pregnancy and that alone is likely the cause.
The people that constantly cry about birth rates being too low know this but don’t lead with it because it makes it sound like they want teenagers getting pregnant ( they do, they want to do it themselves )
It also has a fairly simple solution that doesn’t involve Matt gates impregnating a bunch of high schoolers, immigration from underdeveloped countries that have high birth rates.
AffectionateSummer55 on
Is population really an issue? Are we supposed to just keep reproducing until we end up like an overcrowded dystopian movie? Everyone is always complaining about housing prices.
I feel like people are treating our population like a pyramid scheme supporting economic growth, and even if that is the case, then the population is going to stagnate at some point anyways and it may as well be now.
jkirkwood10 on
Liberal states don’t have kids for many factors.
dalekaup on
We don’t have enough info on the ages of the ‚women‘. Is it all females or females between 35 and 45. If it’s females between 22 and 40, as an example, then the 2.1 figure is kept artificially low because at this age they are not done having children.
With childbearing occuring later all the time the figures could skew lower even if women are having the same number of kids.
homegrownvirus on
These are actually decently high for a country with such a high level of development. Most of Europe is sub 1.4
bad_luck_charm on
Utah is slippin‘
Nodistractzens on
What’s South Dakota’s secret to raising birth rates?
CyanoSpool on
Parenthood is more isolating than it used to be. Lack of community is a huge part of it. No multigenerational homes, no free third spaces, and friendship is also on the decline. So for most people, having kids often means you spend all of your time either working or alone with your kids. Maybe some people love that, but a lot of people feel trapped by that.
It has a self-reinforcing quality too. The fewer people who have kids, the more often people who have kids are the only ones in their friend groups who have kids.
BabyBandit616 on
I’m actually really happy about this. Birth control has done wonders.
DanOhMiiite on
I thought Utah would be higher
LuckyIntroduction696 on
My little neighborhood in rural Washington is over here trying to carry the whole state! Most of them have 2-3 children with plenty of families having 3-4 but I’m in a tiny town with a population of 10k ppl though so compared to Seattle it’s nothing. My husband and I working on baby #3.
No_Low7815 on
Is it the American Indians that are contributing to South Dakota’s relatively high fertility rate?
Visible-Plankton-806 on
You can’t force people to have children. And economic factors and family support systems are not huge factors as shown by the Scandinavian extreme and failed attempts to incentivize having children.
This chart shows that countries should be working really really hard to attract skilled immigrant populations that will contribute economically. Spain is doing a really good job with this right now, with a very good advantage of having the whole of Latin America being a cultural and linguistic fit with their country.
Sadly, the United States is aggressively, pushing immigrants away, making it actively harder for even professionals to come. Will be hard to recover.
LABELyourPHOTOS on
„Sustain ourselves“? In what way?
Mmmaaahhhaaahhhaaa on
This map shows why immigration is so beneficial.
Selimsnek on
In the old days families had more kids. And immigration was considered good. Now it’s a dirty word.
grand305 on
I did a bit of googling.
2021 also had a baby boom. people can have kids post covid. Just the population is high already. 400+ million USA alone. 8+ trillion earth.
> replacement rate.
Baby boom kinda happened in Texas already, in 2021. In Fort Worth Texas there was a record “107 babies born in 91 hours.”
I think that helped a lot.
There was even a baby boom right after Covid in 2020.
Link.
Article : “ ‚Quite the baby boom‘: Texas hospital delivers 107 infants in 91 hours”
Me: The hospital keeps breaking thier own record, of how many babies can be delivered. They must be the hospital for baby delivery and care. By just the first few paragraphs.
2.1 is nonsense. That applied 60 years ago when life expectancy was 65. Now we have kids, parents, grand parents, great grandparents all still alive. We need to thin the herd. Having two kids who have two kids, results in having 14 people in your family living if you are70. That’s just what one human will produce if each has two kids at age 25. Our population has increased by over 20 million in the last 10 years.
Tricky_Definition144 on
At least the Amish will save us.
Effective_Wind_2334 on
Nothing to do in south Dakota except shag 😄
taoist_bear on
Siri show me the states with the poorest adolescent sex education statistics
CMDR_Kaus on
Are we using decimals and commas interchangeably in this?
Geist_Lain on
We went from 1 billion to 8 billion in 200 years after our species‘ history of 130,000 years. We’ll be fucking fine if we dip our numbers down passively.
SallyStranger on
Everyone who posts these maps is weird. Stop worrying about other people’s reproduction and start inventing ways to have an economy that doesn’t require constant growth, including population growth.
BCMBCG on
Country will be deeply red as Gen Alpha reaches middle age.
ApprehensiveWalk7518 on
A lot of people in the comments are going to say that if their particular pet peeve was addressed TFR would increase.
This map demonstrates that there is no correlation between fertility rates and anything
truthovertribe on
What’s up with South Dakota? Also kinda surprised even the Mormons are below replacement
OMyGaard on
Just made the decision with my wife that we would not go for a second child. We make a healthy income (200k combined) but with student loan debt (1,500 p/m), mortgage(2.4k p/m) and childcare costs (1.2 k p/m) we are pretty much paycheck to paycheck. We do have two modest care payments (600 p/m total) and a personal loan as well (650 p/m). A second kid just wouldn’t make sense for us financially. Add to that the fact that our family is spread out across the world so visiting my mother/sister/brother means flights to Europe. Visiting her family means, flights to California and Florida. An extra plane ticket for those three trips every year will add a huge cost as well.
Now we make a lot more than the average american houshold I cant imagine what a family with an income of 100k would do. Granted their student loan payment would be lower but good luck buying a house these days with a sub 2k mortgage unless you have a ton to put down. and most rents for a 2 or three bedroom unit are above what we pay for our mortgage.
Llamasxy on
Why are you writing the caption like that. It isn’t a big deal because immigration to the U.S. keeps us growing and above replacement. Fertility rates don’t matter if the population grows.
Hairy_Wall_6831 on
Good thing everyone’s supposed to lose their desk jobs to AI soon.
Leeflette on
Jesus I do not understand why people care so much about birth rates.
1. When teen pregnancy goes down, birth rates go down— that’s the #1 driving reason behind the lower numbers overall.
2. If numbers fall below replacement — immigration can prop it up. Make it a place people want to be and make it easy for people to be here and ppl will come. Unless the real problem is that you want a certain *kind* of person, I don’t see how it matters.
3. Exponential growth is unsustainable. We’re at over 8 billion people right now. There is now way we could keep that going — if the propagation of the species is the concern, that will kill us way sooner than population decline. We were at 6 billion 20 years ago.
Visible-Salary-8861 on
The fertility rate is higher among conservatives than liberals, and you can kind of see it in this map.
I’m not intending to make any sort of political statement with that. That’s just data.
Traditional-Ad-8737 on
New England, with the oldest avg age of its inhabitants in the country, (mid 40s), with some of the lowest birth rates. Hmm. Not surprising.
Rossticles on
Surprised Utah isn’t higher.
jaboi2110 on
The US is still gaining population, but this is solely due to immigration.
Seagullox on
The cost of health care is obscene, you get stupid bills for nothing. The bus doesn’t come on a regular basis due to budget cuts, so we use all our sick time and get reamed at work because the school district is incompetent. Add in all the off days. I now work two full time jobs. I have seen the change between affording a family and not, and it is super don’t do it. That’s why.
GhostV940 on
Fairly certain a testosterone map would look a lot like this too.
Left-Recognition2106 on
Emancipation. Women no longer stay home with children. They get educations and pursue careers. As if working in offices is the most wonderful thing in the world, something men have so carefully hidden from women.
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*gestures to literally everything* I mean, do you blame people for not wanting to have kids?
Not surprising. This is going to happen everywhere on earth. Mind you, it’s not due „the economy“ like most people on this site would have you believe.
Interesting such a clear red state/blue state divide
My rate is 0. It’s too expensive to have kids.
Common Vermont W
Im surprised about Utah.
It’s a lot of things, but a main one is that we just do not value having children the way we did even a hundred years ago. It’s rank-ordered much lower on our to-do list.
We wait much longer to get married, we likely overprescribe hormonal birth control, the individual experience is valued much higher than the family unit, and in the US in particular extended family support systems are scattered or nonexistent to support mothers.
Yes the economy is a factor but it’s not the driver. Even in countries where preschool is subsidized, zero medical billing costs and all sorts of incentives like Germany — they’re doing even *worse.*
Having a family is not seen as a civic duty, having large families are seen as irresponsible, and unfortunately there’s still a lot of anti-natalist doomer rhetoric that’s having a negative impact on young people.
South Dakota needs to be studied. 9% higher tfr than the next highest state and virtually zero decline since 2019. They have a higher tfr than pretty much every developed nation on earth.
The drop in fertility has occurred in lockstep step with the near eradication of unplanned teenage pregnancy and that alone is likely the cause.
The people that constantly cry about birth rates being too low know this but don’t lead with it because it makes it sound like they want teenagers getting pregnant ( they do, they want to do it themselves )
It also has a fairly simple solution that doesn’t involve Matt gates impregnating a bunch of high schoolers, immigration from underdeveloped countries that have high birth rates.
Is population really an issue? Are we supposed to just keep reproducing until we end up like an overcrowded dystopian movie? Everyone is always complaining about housing prices.
I feel like people are treating our population like a pyramid scheme supporting economic growth, and even if that is the case, then the population is going to stagnate at some point anyways and it may as well be now.
Liberal states don’t have kids for many factors.
We don’t have enough info on the ages of the ‚women‘. Is it all females or females between 35 and 45. If it’s females between 22 and 40, as an example, then the 2.1 figure is kept artificially low because at this age they are not done having children.
With childbearing occuring later all the time the figures could skew lower even if women are having the same number of kids.
These are actually decently high for a country with such a high level of development. Most of Europe is sub 1.4
Utah is slippin‘
What’s South Dakota’s secret to raising birth rates?
Parenthood is more isolating than it used to be. Lack of community is a huge part of it. No multigenerational homes, no free third spaces, and friendship is also on the decline. So for most people, having kids often means you spend all of your time either working or alone with your kids. Maybe some people love that, but a lot of people feel trapped by that.
It has a self-reinforcing quality too. The fewer people who have kids, the more often people who have kids are the only ones in their friend groups who have kids.
I’m actually really happy about this. Birth control has done wonders.
I thought Utah would be higher
My little neighborhood in rural Washington is over here trying to carry the whole state! Most of them have 2-3 children with plenty of families having 3-4 but I’m in a tiny town with a population of 10k ppl though so compared to Seattle it’s nothing. My husband and I working on baby #3.
Is it the American Indians that are contributing to South Dakota’s relatively high fertility rate?
You can’t force people to have children. And economic factors and family support systems are not huge factors as shown by the Scandinavian extreme and failed attempts to incentivize having children.
This chart shows that countries should be working really really hard to attract skilled immigrant populations that will contribute economically. Spain is doing a really good job with this right now, with a very good advantage of having the whole of Latin America being a cultural and linguistic fit with their country.
Sadly, the United States is aggressively, pushing immigrants away, making it actively harder for even professionals to come. Will be hard to recover.
„Sustain ourselves“? In what way?
This map shows why immigration is so beneficial.
In the old days families had more kids. And immigration was considered good. Now it’s a dirty word.
I did a bit of googling.
2021 also had a baby boom. people can have kids post covid. Just the population is high already. 400+ million USA alone. 8+ trillion earth.
> replacement rate.
Baby boom kinda happened in Texas already, in 2021. In Fort Worth Texas there was a record “107 babies born in 91 hours.”
I think that helped a lot.
There was even a baby boom right after Covid in 2020.
Link.
Article : “ ‚Quite the baby boom‘: Texas hospital delivers 107 infants in 91 hours”
Me: The hospital keeps breaking thier own record, of how many babies can be delivered. They must be the hospital for baby delivery and care. By just the first few paragraphs.
[https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-wednesday-edition-1.6102410/quite-the-baby-boom-texas-hospital-delivers-107-infants-in-91-hours-1.6102952](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-wednesday-edition-1.6102410/quite-the-baby-boom-texas-hospital-delivers-107-infants-in-91-hours-1.6102952)
2.1 is nonsense. That applied 60 years ago when life expectancy was 65. Now we have kids, parents, grand parents, great grandparents all still alive. We need to thin the herd. Having two kids who have two kids, results in having 14 people in your family living if you are70. That’s just what one human will produce if each has two kids at age 25. Our population has increased by over 20 million in the last 10 years.
At least the Amish will save us.
Nothing to do in south Dakota except shag 😄
Siri show me the states with the poorest adolescent sex education statistics
Are we using decimals and commas interchangeably in this?
We went from 1 billion to 8 billion in 200 years after our species‘ history of 130,000 years. We’ll be fucking fine if we dip our numbers down passively.
Everyone who posts these maps is weird. Stop worrying about other people’s reproduction and start inventing ways to have an economy that doesn’t require constant growth, including population growth.
Country will be deeply red as Gen Alpha reaches middle age.
A lot of people in the comments are going to say that if their particular pet peeve was addressed TFR would increase.
This map demonstrates that there is no correlation between fertility rates and anything
What’s up with South Dakota? Also kinda surprised even the Mormons are below replacement
Just made the decision with my wife that we would not go for a second child. We make a healthy income (200k combined) but with student loan debt (1,500 p/m), mortgage(2.4k p/m) and childcare costs (1.2 k p/m) we are pretty much paycheck to paycheck. We do have two modest care payments (600 p/m total) and a personal loan as well (650 p/m). A second kid just wouldn’t make sense for us financially. Add to that the fact that our family is spread out across the world so visiting my mother/sister/brother means flights to Europe. Visiting her family means, flights to California and Florida. An extra plane ticket for those three trips every year will add a huge cost as well.
Now we make a lot more than the average american houshold I cant imagine what a family with an income of 100k would do. Granted their student loan payment would be lower but good luck buying a house these days with a sub 2k mortgage unless you have a ton to put down. and most rents for a 2 or three bedroom unit are above what we pay for our mortgage.
Why are you writing the caption like that. It isn’t a big deal because immigration to the U.S. keeps us growing and above replacement. Fertility rates don’t matter if the population grows.
Good thing everyone’s supposed to lose their desk jobs to AI soon.
Jesus I do not understand why people care so much about birth rates.
1. When teen pregnancy goes down, birth rates go down— that’s the #1 driving reason behind the lower numbers overall.
2. If numbers fall below replacement — immigration can prop it up. Make it a place people want to be and make it easy for people to be here and ppl will come. Unless the real problem is that you want a certain *kind* of person, I don’t see how it matters.
3. Exponential growth is unsustainable. We’re at over 8 billion people right now. There is now way we could keep that going — if the propagation of the species is the concern, that will kill us way sooner than population decline. We were at 6 billion 20 years ago.
The fertility rate is higher among conservatives than liberals, and you can kind of see it in this map.
I’m not intending to make any sort of political statement with that. That’s just data.
New England, with the oldest avg age of its inhabitants in the country, (mid 40s), with some of the lowest birth rates. Hmm. Not surprising.
Surprised Utah isn’t higher.
The US is still gaining population, but this is solely due to immigration.
The cost of health care is obscene, you get stupid bills for nothing. The bus doesn’t come on a regular basis due to budget cuts, so we use all our sick time and get reamed at work because the school district is incompetent. Add in all the off days. I now work two full time jobs. I have seen the change between affording a family and not, and it is super don’t do it. That’s why.
Fairly certain a testosterone map would look a lot like this too.
Emancipation. Women no longer stay home with children. They get educations and pursue careers. As if working in offices is the most wonderful thing in the world, something men have so carefully hidden from women.