>Europe has been fighting to keep an increasingly hostile US in NATO while countries race to rearm. And now for the first time since the end of the Cold War, European capitals are discussing how to develop their own nuclear deterrent, according to people familiar with the matter, citing conversations between militaries and governments.
>At the moment, only the UK and France have atomic weapons. French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to offer nuclear deterrence to the rest of Europe in a speech this month, according to people familiar with the matter. He already evoked the possibility of extending the French umbrella over the rest of Europe last year following the events in Ukraine.
>Nuclear deterrence is set to be a hot topic at the Munich Security Conference, which starts on Friday. Macron’s nuclear speech will come later, in France, after consultations with the president’s advisers, according to people familiar with the timing.
Telochim on
Took them long to internalize the Ukrainian lesson.
You either have WMDs or you’re on the menu.
Littlepage3130 on
I am eager to see what sort of plan France and the UK come up with. The Northwood declaration seemed like strategic ambiguity to me, so I’m curious to see if they do something more concrete like stationing their nukes all over Europe.
MainSeaworthiness115 on
I hope Germany rearms and starts talking about more living space.
betawings on
USA has abandon Europe . Build nukes Do it!
Zrakoplovvliegtuig on
This is the only rational reaction. We need nuclear weapons.
TokyoBaguette on
Why do we do this… Nukes in Europe? Who would launch this ? We’re back to MAD doctrine now?
Aromatic-Deer3886 on
Canada needs nuclear weapons stat
_CZakalwe_ on
Canada knows a lot about nukes and jet engines. And are bothered by Trump. We need to cooperate with them more.
We are world-class at the rhetoric, but words are cheap. The data shows the combined UK/France arsenal is barely 25% of what Russia has deployed. If we are serious about a Plan B because Washington isn’t reliable, then we need to move past symbolism.
Moving three French Rafales to Poland is a nice signal, but it’s not a shield, will there be serious, permanent deployment to Poland or Romania? Are we actually going to fund a non-US supply chain for the UK missiles, so they don’t have to go to US for maintenance? Or are we just waiting for the next reality check to hit before we write another letter?
Gwinty- on
I think the numbers game is a bit bs.
If you look at China they are said to have about 600 warheads ready. This is all they deem necessary to defend a country if that size.
So the EU does not have to inflate their arsenal to US size. They just need enough for defense.
Significant_Swing_76 on
Well, building nuclear weapons without the possibility to test them makes the project almost impossible.
So if neither France or UK will share its technology (which would be understandable), then it’s a steep climb.
The Swedes are said to have been very close to have a usable device, but who knows.
AnyImpress2234 on
By ‚Europe‘ you mean Kallas and Von Der Leyen. With nukes and unregulated by any democratic controls.
Hottage on
The best thing about nukes is that whether you have 16,000 or 16 of them, the threat is the same.
The worst thing about nukes is that whether you have 16,000 or 16 of them, the threat is the same.
The US is basically an adversary right now, and will take decades to earn their trust back after the current administration is replaced.
Until their hyper-polarized sports-team ass politics become more stable there is just no way to believe any agreement made by one administration won’t simply be ripped up by the next.
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>Europe has been fighting to keep an increasingly hostile US in NATO while countries race to rearm. And now for the first time since the end of the Cold War, European capitals are discussing how to develop their own nuclear deterrent, according to people familiar with the matter, citing conversations between militaries and governments.
>At the moment, only the UK and France have atomic weapons. French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to offer nuclear deterrence to the rest of Europe in a speech this month, according to people familiar with the matter. He already evoked the possibility of extending the French umbrella over the rest of Europe last year following the events in Ukraine.
>Nuclear deterrence is set to be a hot topic at the Munich Security Conference, which starts on Friday. Macron’s nuclear speech will come later, in France, after consultations with the president’s advisers, according to people familiar with the timing.
Took them long to internalize the Ukrainian lesson.
You either have WMDs or you’re on the menu.
I am eager to see what sort of plan France and the UK come up with. The Northwood declaration seemed like strategic ambiguity to me, so I’m curious to see if they do something more concrete like stationing their nukes all over Europe.
I hope Germany rearms and starts talking about more living space.
USA has abandon Europe . Build nukes Do it!
This is the only rational reaction. We need nuclear weapons.
Why do we do this… Nukes in Europe? Who would launch this ? We’re back to MAD doctrine now?
Canada needs nuclear weapons stat
Canada knows a lot about nukes and jet engines. And are bothered by Trump. We need to cooperate with them more.
„Europe rethinks“, „Europe builds power“, „Europe sends strongly worded letters“, „Europe gives excellent speeches“, „Europe crushes Eurovision“.
We are world-class at the rhetoric, but words are cheap. The data shows the combined UK/France arsenal is barely 25% of what Russia has deployed. If we are serious about a Plan B because Washington isn’t reliable, then we need to move past symbolism.
Moving three French Rafales to Poland is a nice signal, but it’s not a shield, will there be serious, permanent deployment to Poland or Romania? Are we actually going to fund a non-US supply chain for the UK missiles, so they don’t have to go to US for maintenance? Or are we just waiting for the next reality check to hit before we write another letter?
I think the numbers game is a bit bs.
If you look at China they are said to have about 600 warheads ready. This is all they deem necessary to defend a country if that size.
So the EU does not have to inflate their arsenal to US size. They just need enough for defense.
Well, building nuclear weapons without the possibility to test them makes the project almost impossible.
So if neither France or UK will share its technology (which would be understandable), then it’s a steep climb.
The Swedes are said to have been very close to have a usable device, but who knows.
By ‚Europe‘ you mean Kallas and Von Der Leyen. With nukes and unregulated by any democratic controls.
The best thing about nukes is that whether you have 16,000 or 16 of them, the threat is the same.
The worst thing about nukes is that whether you have 16,000 or 16 of them, the threat is the same.
The US is basically an adversary right now, and will take decades to earn their trust back after the current administration is replaced.
Until their hyper-polarized sports-team ass politics become more stable there is just no way to believe any agreement made by one administration won’t simply be ripped up by the next.