Only thing more annoying than Alberta separatists is this level of entitlement
CantFeelMyToesAgain on
Which is something the referendum people still haven’t considered lol
shiftless_wonder on
>Those pushing for an independent Alberta claim it’s time to break free from what they’ve deemed “harmful” federal policies.
>But Nepinak believes those people have no right over treaty land, which handcuffs any grand plans.
>In Calgary on Tuesday, she declared any proposal unconstitutional without the collective consent of First Nations.
>“(Separatists) can take the dirt that maybe their ancestors brought with them under their fingernails when they came over here from other places, because that’s the only piece of land that they’re going to take,” she said.
A further quote
>“Canada is treaty territory, First Nations were here first, Canada is First Nations land, each and every square inch of it.”
StoryAboutABridge on
Direct quote from Treaty 6:
„The Plain and Wood Cree Tribes of Indians, and all other the Indians inhabiting the district hereinafter described and defined, do hereby cede, release, surrender and yield up to the Government of the Dominion of Canada, for Her Majesty the Queen and Her successors forever, all their rights, titles and privileges, whatsoever, to the lands“
arghabargle on
Years ago, I laughed at Quebec separatists for believing they would be able to keep all their lands, resources, even our dollar, and everything would be all sunshine and roses once they were on their own.
I’m not laughing any differently at Alberta separatists believing the same BS.
Intelligent_Cry8535 on
Lol no it doesnt. They should read the treaties. The land except reserves was given to the crown. The crown in 1930 gave that land to the provinces.
Less thn 1% of land in Alberta is protected reserves.
Get rekt natives, your free ride is coming to an end.
RudeTudeDude_ on
“Hello there, it’s us again. Just wondering how we can make this current thing all about us.”
penelope5674 on
If Alberta leaves then it’ll break the federal balance of parties, Quebec will leave. How can bc and the maritime stay in the union when they are cut off from the rest of the country? You can’t fly everything out to them. Canada will cease to exist. But I doubt majority of albertans wanna leave anyways. If they hold a referendum it won’t be more than 20%
ImNotGoogleLens on
Course it does 🙄
DirtyDangles69420 on
Sounds like someone’s worried their grift will be ruined if Alberta seperates.
Apprehensive-Tip9373 on
Louder please for the traitors in the back.
Silly_Technology6103 on
Separatism is stupid but this argument is dumb too. Nobody really cares about the 1st nations unless it serves a political agenda imo. In the grand scheme of things of Alberta separates whatever agreement put in place is going to go out the window.
Street_Anon on
We all know the courts will side with Treaty 8 and end all of this..
lunahighwind on
And Canadian parliment and the King
myxomatosis8 on
Imagine Alberta separating without the FN lands. Now that would be hilarious
SledgexHammer on
The argument people keep making about them likely becoming the 51st state is still missing the point. Thats a separate conversation. First they have to secede, then they have to negotiate terms with the US if they were to be absorbed. This isnt something that happens overnight, and a vote to secede is not a vote to join the US. These 2 distinct situations need to stop being talked about as if its all part of the same thing, because it isnt.
laxvolley on
Why are we even talking about this
Castello_01 on
I can see why AFN are concerned about separating but this is just playing into the separatists hands here. They would love to have a group to fight and make more noise. Maybe instead of telling us your stance you can show Alberta when you go out and vote. Their time would be better spent calling out all the American propaganda.
DegnarOskold on
The amusing thing is that the solution for the separatist cause is very clear – simply offer Alberta’s First Nations a fairer, less exploitative set of treaties that the oppressive colonialist treaties rammed down the First Nations’ throats in the 19th century.
However, the innate racism of the Alberta separatists will never grant them the cognitive ability to acknowledge how much the First Nations there (and frankly elsewhere in Canada) were taken advantage of and exploited, so they won’t do it.
(I recently learned of how badly the First Nations who used to own the land where my own house is were exploited – for handing over this vast area of land under Treaty 19 to The Crown, their 3000 descendants now receive just $5 per year)
Jabbles22 on
Sure it’s illegal but so is invading another country. What’s really stopping them from saying „Fuck you we’re our own country now.“?
Scary-Elephant2831 on
It just shows you how stupid these privileged traitors are. They’re useless and I hope we get pictures of every one of them that sign for separation along with where they were born.
revjim68 on
There is also the national parks. Banff, Jasper, Waterton Lakes, Elk Island, and Wood Buffalo are not provincial. Maybe a separate Alberta could try to negotiate/purchase this land, but there’s no guarantee. This would be a massive hit to tourism.
Dear-Let-1075 on
All this talk about Alberta is same game as Quebec in the 90’s. Won’t happen.
CodeNamesBryan on
Lol they wish.
I dont see a separation happening anytime soon but if it did come to that I cant see anyone giving two fucks about aboriginal permission.
BrightPerspective on
Plus, you know…nobody is ok with somebody stealing Canadian land to make their own little country.
Own_Truth_36 on
Lol.. ok.. sit down there, you are over stepping.
ManofManyTalentz on
Stop giving this oxygen. CTV should know better.
pleasehurtdoll on
uh, looking through the
„*Official CIA False Flag Operations Handbook – 75th Anniversary Commemorative Edition*“,
uh… no, the way Alberta is going to „secede“, if it happens, is not going to rely on any treaty, charter, constitutional clause, Crown Authority, FN Approval, etc. etc.
if it happens, it will be black-bag dirty tricks by the folks that have way, way too much experience doing it in 60+ countries around the world, and the rule of law will play absolutely ***zero*** part in the process.
Silver_BackYWG on
Isn’t this exactly why you guys voted elbows in ??
Springpeen on
Seeing a lot of non-Albertans in here salty about the prospect of losing all of the charity they get from Alberta…
Beneficial-Beach-367 on
Invoking the crown when it suits is a pretty timeless strategy.
BodhingJay on
Probably shouldnt even get to that point… shouldn’t there be a referendum first?
I dont imagine Trump will want Alberta even if we do separate. Will probably starve the place economically any way he can until he gets some kind of unconditional access to all the resources..
MrEzekial on
Why are people even talking about this any more. I think there is less people in Alberta that want to separate than in Quebec…
gbinasia on
At the end of the day, separation/independence is a political process not a legal one. That involves projections of power and diplomacy.
Alberta’s independence project being centered around oil is pityful to me, but if that’s what rocks their boat, sure, why not. Provinces aren’t chunks of land that can be divided between the losers and winners of a referendum that includes everyone. If FN in Alberta disagree with the results, they can either rely on Canada to militarily defend them (which, hmm, would be for the history books) or negociate treaties with Country Alberta. But ‚permission‘ is not something that really is a concept when it comes to geopolitical plays.
NorthDriver8927 on
All this nonsense could be avoided if Ottawa would stop talking and start listening.
ArmandioFaria on
Agreed, but I would further add that the people who want to leave, can fucking leave.
maxgrody on
Does sovereignty
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Only thing more annoying than Alberta separatists is this level of entitlement
Which is something the referendum people still haven’t considered lol
>Those pushing for an independent Alberta claim it’s time to break free from what they’ve deemed “harmful” federal policies.
>But Nepinak believes those people have no right over treaty land, which handcuffs any grand plans.
>In Calgary on Tuesday, she declared any proposal unconstitutional without the collective consent of First Nations.
>“(Separatists) can take the dirt that maybe their ancestors brought with them under their fingernails when they came over here from other places, because that’s the only piece of land that they’re going to take,” she said.
A further quote
>“Canada is treaty territory, First Nations were here first, Canada is First Nations land, each and every square inch of it.”
Direct quote from Treaty 6:
„The Plain and Wood Cree Tribes of Indians, and all other the Indians inhabiting the district hereinafter described and defined, do hereby cede, release, surrender and yield up to the Government of the Dominion of Canada, for Her Majesty the Queen and Her successors forever, all their rights, titles and privileges, whatsoever, to the lands“
Years ago, I laughed at Quebec separatists for believing they would be able to keep all their lands, resources, even our dollar, and everything would be all sunshine and roses once they were on their own.
I’m not laughing any differently at Alberta separatists believing the same BS.
Lol no it doesnt. They should read the treaties. The land except reserves was given to the crown. The crown in 1930 gave that land to the provinces.
Less thn 1% of land in Alberta is protected reserves.
Get rekt natives, your free ride is coming to an end.
“Hello there, it’s us again. Just wondering how we can make this current thing all about us.”
If Alberta leaves then it’ll break the federal balance of parties, Quebec will leave. How can bc and the maritime stay in the union when they are cut off from the rest of the country? You can’t fly everything out to them. Canada will cease to exist. But I doubt majority of albertans wanna leave anyways. If they hold a referendum it won’t be more than 20%
Course it does 🙄
Sounds like someone’s worried their grift will be ruined if Alberta seperates.
Louder please for the traitors in the back.
Separatism is stupid but this argument is dumb too. Nobody really cares about the 1st nations unless it serves a political agenda imo. In the grand scheme of things of Alberta separates whatever agreement put in place is going to go out the window.
We all know the courts will side with Treaty 8 and end all of this..
And Canadian parliment and the King
Imagine Alberta separating without the FN lands. Now that would be hilarious
The argument people keep making about them likely becoming the 51st state is still missing the point. Thats a separate conversation. First they have to secede, then they have to negotiate terms with the US if they were to be absorbed. This isnt something that happens overnight, and a vote to secede is not a vote to join the US. These 2 distinct situations need to stop being talked about as if its all part of the same thing, because it isnt.
Why are we even talking about this
I can see why AFN are concerned about separating but this is just playing into the separatists hands here. They would love to have a group to fight and make more noise. Maybe instead of telling us your stance you can show Alberta when you go out and vote. Their time would be better spent calling out all the American propaganda.
The amusing thing is that the solution for the separatist cause is very clear – simply offer Alberta’s First Nations a fairer, less exploitative set of treaties that the oppressive colonialist treaties rammed down the First Nations’ throats in the 19th century.
However, the innate racism of the Alberta separatists will never grant them the cognitive ability to acknowledge how much the First Nations there (and frankly elsewhere in Canada) were taken advantage of and exploited, so they won’t do it.
(I recently learned of how badly the First Nations who used to own the land where my own house is were exploited – for handing over this vast area of land under Treaty 19 to The Crown, their 3000 descendants now receive just $5 per year)
Sure it’s illegal but so is invading another country. What’s really stopping them from saying „Fuck you we’re our own country now.“?
It just shows you how stupid these privileged traitors are. They’re useless and I hope we get pictures of every one of them that sign for separation along with where they were born.
There is also the national parks. Banff, Jasper, Waterton Lakes, Elk Island, and Wood Buffalo are not provincial. Maybe a separate Alberta could try to negotiate/purchase this land, but there’s no guarantee. This would be a massive hit to tourism.
All this talk about Alberta is same game as Quebec in the 90’s. Won’t happen.
Lol they wish.
I dont see a separation happening anytime soon but if it did come to that I cant see anyone giving two fucks about aboriginal permission.
Plus, you know…nobody is ok with somebody stealing Canadian land to make their own little country.
Lol.. ok.. sit down there, you are over stepping.
Stop giving this oxygen. CTV should know better.
uh, looking through the
„*Official CIA False Flag Operations Handbook – 75th Anniversary Commemorative Edition*“,
uh… no, the way Alberta is going to „secede“, if it happens, is not going to rely on any treaty, charter, constitutional clause, Crown Authority, FN Approval, etc. etc.
if it happens, it will be black-bag dirty tricks by the folks that have way, way too much experience doing it in 60+ countries around the world, and the rule of law will play absolutely ***zero*** part in the process.
Isn’t this exactly why you guys voted elbows in ??
Seeing a lot of non-Albertans in here salty about the prospect of losing all of the charity they get from Alberta…
Invoking the crown when it suits is a pretty timeless strategy.
Probably shouldnt even get to that point… shouldn’t there be a referendum first?
I dont imagine Trump will want Alberta even if we do separate. Will probably starve the place economically any way he can until he gets some kind of unconditional access to all the resources..
Why are people even talking about this any more. I think there is less people in Alberta that want to separate than in Quebec…
At the end of the day, separation/independence is a political process not a legal one. That involves projections of power and diplomacy.
Alberta’s independence project being centered around oil is pityful to me, but if that’s what rocks their boat, sure, why not. Provinces aren’t chunks of land that can be divided between the losers and winners of a referendum that includes everyone. If FN in Alberta disagree with the results, they can either rely on Canada to militarily defend them (which, hmm, would be for the history books) or negociate treaties with Country Alberta. But ‚permission‘ is not something that really is a concept when it comes to geopolitical plays.
All this nonsense could be avoided if Ottawa would stop talking and start listening.
Agreed, but I would further add that the people who want to leave, can fucking leave.
Does sovereignty