And the Europeans simply let it happen and don’t intervene at all when their imminent neighbor, one of them, is being carved up between the Russians and their assets in the US.
How pathetic and weak
ZuzBla on
Plebiscits under bombing and when part of population is kept in orcish prisons, under occupation or 6 feet under? Sure that will earn the Cheeto the Nobel prize. Or new play pretend FIFA prize.
TrueRignak on
So the Russo-Usain axis was able to force Ukraine into submission… I am sure Putin won’t do something as despicable as specifically bombing areas with the most pro-ukrainian stance in order to prevent them to go to the polling stations.
As an European, I am ashamed we weren’t able to support Ukraine more.
_PeeVee on
Fuck Trump!
tree_boom on
The detail on the peace deal will be crucial really. As long as it enables the unoccupied parts of Ukraine to remain adequately defended against renewed Russian aggression then I think it will probably be acceptable.
mods4mods on
The only reason Zelensky has to put up with Trump so much is because they are the only agent that’s working on a deal. The fact that Europe just let it happen is shameful. If Zelensky didn’t think that US support is critical, and that he could do it with Europe alone, he would’ve already ditched him.
pastoreyes on
Not forcing Russia to have a snap election?
Any-Original-6113 on
Adding to that: yesterday, Kremlin Foreign Minister Lavrov stated that no one had provided Russia with the draft 20-point peace agreement that Ukraine, the EU, and the US had been working on over the past month—and that Moscow is operating on the basis of the original 28-point framework agreed with Washington last year.
In other words, classic Byzantine tactics: Russia will later claim it was operating from a completely different document, and whatever Ukraine does under U.S. pressure—well, that’s their problem, not Russia’s.
Y0l017 on
But in Russia when…real elections? Never? …
Free-Way-9220 on
>Trump seeks to shift his focus from international issues to domestic affairs
Trump seeks to realign and the US with Russia and reward Putin for his war. That faster that can happen for Trump, the better from his PoV
Leaval11 on
So democracy has lost after all…
djquu on
Doesn’t matter, Russia will never accept the peace deal even if Ukraine votes to accept it (they probably won’t though) so it’s all just for show.
Appropriate-Ball293 on
Some bots all over reddit have been throwing this news. Have already denied that he said that. russian disinformation is pushing a new narrative.
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dotBombAU on
Lot of people saying stupid shit in the comments. This does not mean Russia is going to win.
>The logistics of holding a presidential election in Ukraine at such short notice **are likely to prove extremely challenging**, however, as the country’s constitution does not allow the holding of elections under martial law — which was declared in Ukraine on 24 February 2022 — and so **would require passing a constitutional amendment.**
>**The plan is also contingent on whether Zelensky is able to secure a “peace deal that he believes is fair and tolerable to Ukrainians”,** the FT stressed.
>The election and referendum **could also be delayed if Russia “escalates its attacks on Ukraine’s critical infrastructure and ground offensive in the southeast”,** the FT said, while the issue of who will ultimately control Donbas and the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant **also remains a significant obstacle to peace.**
I swear none of you read articles. This is reliant on the people of Ukraine voting on it.
djquu on
The fact that people are all „this is Europe’s fault!“ is very telling of why there is no unity in Europe. Here’s a wild idea, maybe blame USA for voting in a dictator and giving him unlimited power? And if you insist on shifting blame on Europe, at least try to explain what specific things should European countries (and which countries specifically) could have made to avoid this?
And after that take a deep breath and consider for one second in your social media ruined attention span that Russia will never accept a peace deal that allows Ukraine to maintain and rebuild it’s standing army, nor will Ukraine ever vote for a deal that doesn’t allow the same. So it’s all for show. Now relax, and worry about real things in life, of which there are plenty.
Chun--Chun2 on
Fake news and illegal under their constitution. Elections can’t be legally held during war.
D-MAN-FLORIDA on
Has there been any confirmation about it or our we taking the Financial Times at their word? Plus, is it against Ukraine’s constitution to hold elections during wartime?
Giving the enemy a chance to literally bomb your election sounds like a particularly bad idea.
wolfhound_doge on
would such election and referendum be even constitutional when lots of UA citizens are in the temporary occupied areas like Crimea and Donbas, where, i assume, orks wont allow for the election and referendum to be held?
Opening-Border-6313 on
About what exactly? Did they agree with Russia?
BlueHeartbeat on
Of course there’ll be elections after peace is achieved, that’s not even news.
Good luck on the referendum though, Russia is known to love those.
crossdtherubicon on
This is perhaps one of the last times for Europe to increase support of Ukraine – for the sake of our futures, by limiting Putin’s power over the region.
Trump allegedly already has the plans to re-engage with Russia and is eager to profit from that. That appears to be his motivation, and therefore strengthening Russia is in Trump’s best interests.
This allows Putin of course to be rewarded for his invasion but, crucially keeps him in his position of power and wealth, with support of Trump and US businesses.
Europeans should be aware and cautious at this time, and demonstrate that we have a stake in this too.
Because the Trump admin literally threatened to invade Greenland, made critical threats about Europe’s politics in their recent NSS document, and is invested in the right-wing extremism of European politics.
And because Putin has demonstrated he is an obvious and hostile threat to European countries and the EU as an institution. Europe is facing hostility on all sides and must ensure Ukraine at least remains neutral, sovereign, and integrated (not isolated).
VicenteOlisipo on
What leverage do the Americans have to pressure him at this point? They stopped sending intelligence, guns or ammo, so what is it?
Washed_up_Vanski on
I wonder how they will handle voting for people residing outside Ukraine, especially Russia.
Fine_Yogurtcloset362 on
Dont
potatolulz on
US pressure right after Lavrov complained that the MAGA cult is taking too long with forcing Ukraine to surrender? 😀
WinningTheSpaceRace on
How does anyone police the fairness of a referendum of those under Russian occupation?
Honestly, fuck America.
bier00t on
the only sober things Ukrainians can do is to elect Zelensky again…
bier00t on
EU should say they do not agree for elections in Ukraine…
umpfke on
Forced to announce*
Sure, Ukrainians will choose a new president after the war, but during?
5 million Ukrainians aren’t in the country, maybe a million at the front,…
Kagrenac8 on
Well that won’t backfire at all
No_Lawfulness7071 on
The website has no option to deny all cookies, which is also illegal in eu by law. Maybe try finding a better article
FreezaSama on
Russian puppet in 3, 2, 1…
hexhex on
It’s not going to happen.
This is just talk for the sake of keeping the peace “negotiations” going and keeping Trump happy. A reasonable window of opportunity for real peace negotiations will happen once Putin realizes the deep economic hole he’s dug himself into.
ernstoo7 on
Unbelievable how times have changed.. who would have thought that it would be the US providing their arch-enemy Russia a lifeline, while it’s gradually being bled-out towards strategic insignificance. It disgusts me beyond comprehension. It should be beyond doubt now for all fellow Europeans; we are alone now. The US has become an adversary and with that in mind we need to regroup and reorganise. If the outcome indeed is Ukraine having to give up territory, while all sanctions are lifted on Russia to allow for a corrupt economic deal with the US, in return for some vague promise that the US will provide security guarantees to Ukraine, while we all know the words of both the US and Russia mean nothing, we Europeans need to brace ourselves for existential turbulent times ahead. Sadly, I’m not sure if this reality is hitting home hard enough here in Europe.
Dangerous-Ad-1298 on
but this is against Ukrainian constitution and surely Russia will influence and destabilise the election, just like in the US
Immediate-Unit6311 on
Will he be voted back in?
Gamebyter on
There is no war declared so Ukraine is keeping Martial Law. They would have to revoke Martial Law to have elecitons.
Haxemply on
Krasnov at work again. Russians would like nothing more than a huge popular rally where Zelensky would make a speech. What better way to get rid of him, and several thousand Ukrainians with one blow?
LookThisOneGuy on
In the End, only what Ukraine and its people decide is what matters. If they want to appease the US, we can’t and won’t stop them, they are a sovereign nation.
I will say, since Trump took office, European support to Ukraine has been bigger then US support, turning your back on the EU in favor of Trump is a gamble. But if they think it is worth it, then we have to respect their decision.
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And the Europeans simply let it happen and don’t intervene at all when their imminent neighbor, one of them, is being carved up between the Russians and their assets in the US.
How pathetic and weak
Plebiscits under bombing and when part of population is kept in orcish prisons, under occupation or 6 feet under? Sure that will earn the Cheeto the Nobel prize. Or new play pretend FIFA prize.
So the Russo-Usain axis was able to force Ukraine into submission… I am sure Putin won’t do something as despicable as specifically bombing areas with the most pro-ukrainian stance in order to prevent them to go to the polling stations.
As an European, I am ashamed we weren’t able to support Ukraine more.
Fuck Trump!
The detail on the peace deal will be crucial really. As long as it enables the unoccupied parts of Ukraine to remain adequately defended against renewed Russian aggression then I think it will probably be acceptable.
The only reason Zelensky has to put up with Trump so much is because they are the only agent that’s working on a deal. The fact that Europe just let it happen is shameful. If Zelensky didn’t think that US support is critical, and that he could do it with Europe alone, he would’ve already ditched him.
Not forcing Russia to have a snap election?
Adding to that: yesterday, Kremlin Foreign Minister Lavrov stated that no one had provided Russia with the draft 20-point peace agreement that Ukraine, the EU, and the US had been working on over the past month—and that Moscow is operating on the basis of the original 28-point framework agreed with Washington last year.
In other words, classic Byzantine tactics: Russia will later claim it was operating from a completely different document, and whatever Ukraine does under U.S. pressure—well, that’s their problem, not Russia’s.
But in Russia when…real elections? Never? …
>Trump seeks to shift his focus from international issues to domestic affairs
Trump seeks to realign and the US with Russia and reward Putin for his war. That faster that can happen for Trump, the better from his PoV
So democracy has lost after all…
Doesn’t matter, Russia will never accept the peace deal even if Ukraine votes to accept it (they probably won’t though) so it’s all just for show.
Some bots all over reddit have been throwing this news. Have already denied that he said that. russian disinformation is pushing a new narrative.
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Lot of people saying stupid shit in the comments. This does not mean Russia is going to win.
>The logistics of holding a presidential election in Ukraine at such short notice **are likely to prove extremely challenging**, however, as the country’s constitution does not allow the holding of elections under martial law — which was declared in Ukraine on 24 February 2022 — and so **would require passing a constitutional amendment.**
>**The plan is also contingent on whether Zelensky is able to secure a “peace deal that he believes is fair and tolerable to Ukrainians”,** the FT stressed.
>The election and referendum **could also be delayed if Russia “escalates its attacks on Ukraine’s critical infrastructure and ground offensive in the southeast”,** the FT said, while the issue of who will ultimately control Donbas and the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant **also remains a significant obstacle to peace.**
I swear none of you read articles. This is reliant on the people of Ukraine voting on it.
The fact that people are all „this is Europe’s fault!“ is very telling of why there is no unity in Europe. Here’s a wild idea, maybe blame USA for voting in a dictator and giving him unlimited power? And if you insist on shifting blame on Europe, at least try to explain what specific things should European countries (and which countries specifically) could have made to avoid this?
And after that take a deep breath and consider for one second in your social media ruined attention span that Russia will never accept a peace deal that allows Ukraine to maintain and rebuild it’s standing army, nor will Ukraine ever vote for a deal that doesn’t allow the same. So it’s all for show. Now relax, and worry about real things in life, of which there are plenty.
Fake news and illegal under their constitution. Elections can’t be legally held during war.
Has there been any confirmation about it or our we taking the Financial Times at their word? Plus, is it against Ukraine’s constitution to hold elections during wartime?
It’s a lie – [https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69825](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69825)
I hope this will prove a hoax.
Giving the enemy a chance to literally bomb your election sounds like a particularly bad idea.
would such election and referendum be even constitutional when lots of UA citizens are in the temporary occupied areas like Crimea and Donbas, where, i assume, orks wont allow for the election and referendum to be held?
About what exactly? Did they agree with Russia?
Of course there’ll be elections after peace is achieved, that’s not even news.
Good luck on the referendum though, Russia is known to love those.
This is perhaps one of the last times for Europe to increase support of Ukraine – for the sake of our futures, by limiting Putin’s power over the region.
Trump allegedly already has the plans to re-engage with Russia and is eager to profit from that. That appears to be his motivation, and therefore strengthening Russia is in Trump’s best interests.
This allows Putin of course to be rewarded for his invasion but, crucially keeps him in his position of power and wealth, with support of Trump and US businesses.
Europeans should be aware and cautious at this time, and demonstrate that we have a stake in this too.
Because the Trump admin literally threatened to invade Greenland, made critical threats about Europe’s politics in their recent NSS document, and is invested in the right-wing extremism of European politics.
And because Putin has demonstrated he is an obvious and hostile threat to European countries and the EU as an institution. Europe is facing hostility on all sides and must ensure Ukraine at least remains neutral, sovereign, and integrated (not isolated).
What leverage do the Americans have to pressure him at this point? They stopped sending intelligence, guns or ammo, so what is it?
I wonder how they will handle voting for people residing outside Ukraine, especially Russia.
Dont
US pressure right after Lavrov complained that the MAGA cult is taking too long with forcing Ukraine to surrender? 😀
How does anyone police the fairness of a referendum of those under Russian occupation?
Honestly, fuck America.
the only sober things Ukrainians can do is to elect Zelensky again…
EU should say they do not agree for elections in Ukraine…
Forced to announce*
Sure, Ukrainians will choose a new president after the war, but during?
5 million Ukrainians aren’t in the country, maybe a million at the front,…
Well that won’t backfire at all
The website has no option to deny all cookies, which is also illegal in eu by law. Maybe try finding a better article
Russian puppet in 3, 2, 1…
It’s not going to happen.
This is just talk for the sake of keeping the peace “negotiations” going and keeping Trump happy. A reasonable window of opportunity for real peace negotiations will happen once Putin realizes the deep economic hole he’s dug himself into.
Unbelievable how times have changed.. who would have thought that it would be the US providing their arch-enemy Russia a lifeline, while it’s gradually being bled-out towards strategic insignificance. It disgusts me beyond comprehension. It should be beyond doubt now for all fellow Europeans; we are alone now. The US has become an adversary and with that in mind we need to regroup and reorganise. If the outcome indeed is Ukraine having to give up territory, while all sanctions are lifted on Russia to allow for a corrupt economic deal with the US, in return for some vague promise that the US will provide security guarantees to Ukraine, while we all know the words of both the US and Russia mean nothing, we Europeans need to brace ourselves for existential turbulent times ahead. Sadly, I’m not sure if this reality is hitting home hard enough here in Europe.
but this is against Ukrainian constitution and surely Russia will influence and destabilise the election, just like in the US
Will he be voted back in?
There is no war declared so Ukraine is keeping Martial Law. They would have to revoke Martial Law to have elecitons.
Krasnov at work again. Russians would like nothing more than a huge popular rally where Zelensky would make a speech. What better way to get rid of him, and several thousand Ukrainians with one blow?
In the End, only what Ukraine and its people decide is what matters. If they want to appease the US, we can’t and won’t stop them, they are a sovereign nation.
I will say, since Trump took office, European support to Ukraine has been bigger then US support, turning your back on the EU in favor of Trump is a gamble. But if they think it is worth it, then we have to respect their decision.