Dem Bericht zufolge erhalten Regierungsangestellte in Ontario bessere Renten, verdienen 8 Prozent mehr und gehen früher in den Ruhestand als Angestellte im Privatsektor
Dem Bericht zufolge erhalten Regierungsangestellte in Ontario bessere Renten, verdienen 8 Prozent mehr und gehen früher in den Ruhestand als Angestellte im Privatsektor
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You can tell contract negotiations are getting close.
They are really working hard at blaming everyone but the people whose responsibility is properly funding and setting public services up for success.
The buck stops with you, Doug. It’s time to start delivering more than excuses.
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Everyone should always try to take anything out of the Fraser Institute with a grain of salt. Personally, I’m not thrilled with the overall methodology and there’s definitely some question marks here – I don’t see anything egregiously wrong, but there are a number of choices that are clearly designed to produce the „best“ results for the preexisting ideological biases of the paper.
Not to mention of course that the entire article is intentionally designed to sound like its about public servants/government bureaucrats (specifically, using the phrase „government workers“ instead of „public sector“ warrants a justification – I’d love to see a single defense of this use of a term that is intentionally obfuscating). We have nurses, teachers, and cops here, amongst others. Several parts of the analysis are also just clearly about unionized work vs non-unionized (and of course, its framed as „isn’t the public sector having it too good“, rather than „hey, some private sector workers are really getting exploited arent they“)
Its annoying because there *is* good work and good data here – but its so buried under intentional ideological motivations and twisting that you have to almost treat the entire thing as suspect unless you have statistical training and the willingness to go through yourself and interrogate every single point made.
I am not an Ontario municipal worker, but I am a municipal worker.
I make a higher base wage than a comparable private sector worker. I dont get any overtime, and I have to deal with far more bullshit then I would as a private sector worker. But all the comparable private sector workers get overtime and less bullshit, so they end up making more then I do. I could leave my job and make an additional $40,000 a year easily, and that is a low estimate. My operators say the same thing, although they get overtime pay (and even end up making more then I do because of that).
The pension plans are gravy when you retire, but cost alot. I have had friends bug me about the golden pension. I asked them how much they set aside monthly for retirement and stared at me and said they would never pay what I do. In fact people have left back to the private sector because of how much that pension costs them and they feel they cant afford it.
It is not easy to compare private and public workers. We do similar and yet different things. I am not saying we need to be paid more, I dont feel I need more pay for the job I do, but I also deal with alot more stress then my private sector buddies. And that golden handcuff of a pension plan means I will never likely work for any other entity as I stand to lose alot by leaving the pension plan, kinda locks you to the sector after a few years of work.
may I submit that they are still underpaid, just less so then the private sector. It seems to me that if you want talent you need to pay for it. And if you want to lead by example is a good place to start.
Weird way to frame that private workers have had their pensions stripped, their wages suppressed, and have to work longer because they can’t afford retirement compared to unionized public workers, but you do you, Fraser Institute.
Odd that it is story about provincial workers but the photo’s predominant figure is the PM. Shouldn’t the photo subject be Premier Ford? Also the Fraser Institute is a right leaning and funded think tank so keep that in mind when reading the article that was written using AI.
I couldn’t read the report, but have they accounted for the nature of jobs? You can’t expect a policy analyst at a government department to make less than a cab driver?
“Retire earlier than private sector employees”
Yeah having a pension means you don’t have to work until you’re dead, what a novelty. Maybe we should try it in the private sector?
As a former provincial employee who couldn’t wait to leave the OPS, the pay and benefits are skewed towards older folks that have been there forever. For younger employees, it’s a brutal slog just to make ends meet a lot of times since you have to generally live in Toronto with ‘okay’ pay but no benefits or protections until you finally make permanent which can take years.
My current base salary is CAD 160K in the private sector. I have accepted an offer from the public sector with a base salary of CAD 120K. The reason I accepted such a pay cut is because I know the value of that government pension. Cut the pension, and you will have to pay me the same salary I currently do. If you truly want to compare apples to apples, you would compare the overall package. Cry me a river, Fraser Institute.