>It isn’t the only government motivated to source or build alternatives as the vulnerabilities from relying on American technology sharpen. The world is trying to log off U.S. tech: Germany is also moving toward open-source alternatives. The Dutch Court of Audit warned that two-thirds of public cloud services lacked proper risk assessments. Brazil started transitioning away from Microsoft and toward open-sourced Linux back in 2003. Denmark is moving from Office 365 toward a free and open-source office suite called LibreOffice. Jurisdictions including Spain, Italy, Taiwan and the Czech Republic also use it. Even Russia has local platforms successfully competing with American online services.
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>Thanks to an extractive business model that prevents outright software ownership in favour of renting it in perpetuity through subscription, the government of Canada paid Microsoft $7.7-million in software fees in 2024, and Microsoft just announced significant price increases for Office 365 subscriptions. Microsoft’s Suite comes with obvious built-in advantages: It’s a full-service solution to office functioning that links e-mail, asynchronous messaging, videoconferencing, Excel and Word processing.
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>But because of provisions in the U.S. CLOUD Act, firms can be compelled to share information that is facilitated by these technology companies with the U.S. government. On top of that, the entire sharing process can be totally secret, with gag rules that prevent notice and make meaningful challenges practically impossible.
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>The government of Canada’s white paper on data sovereignty recognized this vulnerability but dismissed it because of a “lack of evidence” that the power had been exploited. But it is highly unlikely there will be material evidence of this occurring.
blond-max on
Work in IT and get dirty looks if I ever question the benifit of lifting something from premise to Azure.
ComfortableLetter989 on
Canada has a lot of silicon offices here. It only makes sense that we use the tools, it’s what our biggest trading partner uses. And they are damn fine products.
For fun, download NextCloud and give it a try.
odoc_ on
I’m down to never have to use Microsoft Teams ever again!
grumble11 on
If Canada and the rest of the world cut off MS, GOOG, META, NFLx and so on and used local alternatives the US economy would crash. Big tech is a pillar of their economy and is why the idea of a trade deficit is silly – the Us has a monster services surplus.
Strict_House3347 on
Back to Corel WordPerfect it is
RideauRaccoon on
Calling it now: 2026 is the year of Linux on the desktop. /s
But seriously: if Canada, Europe, etc invested a some money and effort into creating an open source architecture designed to replace the guts of American tech hegemony, we could actually make this happen. No more spending millions of dollars on foreign-owned and foreign-controlled infrastructure. All the pieces are there, they just need to be packaged and promoted properly.
America doesn’t have a monopoly on tech genius. We just need to match them in ambition.
oneonus on
Yes please, we need to do this asap.
_grey_wall on
It’s super hard to ditch Microsoft defender and sentinel
That’s like 90% of your cyber defence right there
Captcha_Imagination on
Marit Styles of the Ontario NDP posted a story on IG and I made a comment on Reddit that progressives like me will never see if because we have gotten off these American platforms.
The reaction is that Canadians get offended when I make remarks like this. They are so addicted that they start accusing people of „dividing the left“ and being extremists. The comparison trotted out was that it’s like not voting for Kamala over the Israel issue. wtf. Typical addict behaviour when you even suggest that they go without.
If you’re still on X and Meta apps, you are part of the problem. They are ACTIVELY trying to destroy Canada, and being on there helps them.
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Accomplished_Try_179 on
We should stop using Android & iOS phones. HUAWEI’s phones run on their own OS with the AppGallery app store. Elbows up!
In the same vein, Reddit is own by Condé Nast, an American company. We should ditch Reddit too to be consistent.
habily_canadian on
Yes please!
Ramtravelbeast on
Bring back to life Blackberry 😎🤞
_Army9308 on
Reason I dont see a switch happening easily is that trying to get peoole off windows or legacy systems is very hard.
ZergrushLOL on
The entire world’s economy is held together by excel spreadsheets.
New-Low-5769 on
France is going bankrupt.
Lets avoid doing anything they are doing.
hewen on
Our healthcare system are running on American software. Most of the reputable big hospitals in Canada are on EPIC system.
ottwebdev on
Untangling from american tech will take a while.
For example, those using cloudflares proxy for DNS, do they realize that cloudflare is a legal MITM which can see all your data + modify it? Meaning the US gov can see it.
Canadianman22 on
I am curious what the alternatives are that we could use? Are there Canadian tech options that could be adopted and failing that what are non-US options?
MaxRD on
Probably never. I have direct knowledge of a big crown corp plan to decommission their own datacenters and on-prem infrastructure to move completely to Azure in the next 3 years. Go figure 🤷
snapchillnocomment on
At the very, very, very least, the government should stop posting shit on X/Twitter.
kettlecorn on
I program for a living and in my opinion the growth of AI coding is (eventually) going to replace a lot of programming. There will be a transition period where society moves away from old handmade software to more AI built software. I don’t have a strong sense of how quickly that will happen but from what I’ve seen so far I think it will happen.
Either way with open source or with AI software the real cost in building software has been steadily moving from the code itself to the infrastructure needed to run it.
The countries best situated to provide that infrastructure are those that are: cold, with abundant cheap energy (preferably renewable), politically stable, with a robust electrical grid, and with a knowledgable tech workforce.
Almost no country is as well situated as Canada to fill that role. The American companies are already massively expanding their presence in Canada because they understand that situation as well.
So I think for Canada a pressing goal is to establish a sovereign server and cloud provider. Otherwise it will become similar to other industries where Canada provides the raw resources to the US which then creates the actual product that makes most of the money.
WasabiNo5985 on
Ok. I can’t read it due to pay wall. But largest cloud is Aws, largest two os is ms and apple. db oracle, mssql, etc. Nvidea, intel, amd, like what is France going to replace these with? i don’t really think there are any replacement for these. You gonna get everyone on linux?
ajicrystal on
All levels of governments and crown corporations need to start doing this asap. Pooling resources with the EU and other countries could make help this. Writing this from an open source browser(Falkon) on an open source OS (Linux ).
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>It isn’t the only government motivated to source or build alternatives as the vulnerabilities from relying on American technology sharpen. The world is trying to log off U.S. tech: Germany is also moving toward open-source alternatives. The Dutch Court of Audit warned that two-thirds of public cloud services lacked proper risk assessments. Brazil started transitioning away from Microsoft and toward open-sourced Linux back in 2003. Denmark is moving from Office 365 toward a free and open-source office suite called LibreOffice. Jurisdictions including Spain, Italy, Taiwan and the Czech Republic also use it. Even Russia has local platforms successfully competing with American online services.
>
>Thanks to an extractive business model that prevents outright software ownership in favour of renting it in perpetuity through subscription, the government of Canada paid Microsoft $7.7-million in software fees in 2024, and Microsoft just announced significant price increases for Office 365 subscriptions. Microsoft’s Suite comes with obvious built-in advantages: It’s a full-service solution to office functioning that links e-mail, asynchronous messaging, videoconferencing, Excel and Word processing.
>
>But because of provisions in the U.S. CLOUD Act, firms can be compelled to share information that is facilitated by these technology companies with the U.S. government. On top of that, the entire sharing process can be totally secret, with gag rules that prevent notice and make meaningful challenges practically impossible.
>
>The government of Canada’s white paper on data sovereignty recognized this vulnerability but dismissed it because of a “lack of evidence” that the power had been exploited. But it is highly unlikely there will be material evidence of this occurring.
Work in IT and get dirty looks if I ever question the benifit of lifting something from premise to Azure.
Canada has a lot of silicon offices here. It only makes sense that we use the tools, it’s what our biggest trading partner uses. And they are damn fine products.
For fun, download NextCloud and give it a try.
I’m down to never have to use Microsoft Teams ever again!
If Canada and the rest of the world cut off MS, GOOG, META, NFLx and so on and used local alternatives the US economy would crash. Big tech is a pillar of their economy and is why the idea of a trade deficit is silly – the Us has a monster services surplus.
Back to Corel WordPerfect it is
Calling it now: 2026 is the year of Linux on the desktop. /s
But seriously: if Canada, Europe, etc invested a some money and effort into creating an open source architecture designed to replace the guts of American tech hegemony, we could actually make this happen. No more spending millions of dollars on foreign-owned and foreign-controlled infrastructure. All the pieces are there, they just need to be packaged and promoted properly.
America doesn’t have a monopoly on tech genius. We just need to match them in ambition.
Yes please, we need to do this asap.
It’s super hard to ditch Microsoft defender and sentinel
That’s like 90% of your cyber defence right there
Marit Styles of the Ontario NDP posted a story on IG and I made a comment on Reddit that progressives like me will never see if because we have gotten off these American platforms.
The reaction is that Canadians get offended when I make remarks like this. They are so addicted that they start accusing people of „dividing the left“ and being extremists. The comparison trotted out was that it’s like not voting for Kamala over the Israel issue. wtf. Typical addict behaviour when you even suggest that they go without.
If you’re still on X and Meta apps, you are part of the problem. They are ACTIVELY trying to destroy Canada, and being on there helps them.
[deleted]
We should stop using Android & iOS phones. HUAWEI’s phones run on their own OS with the AppGallery app store. Elbows up!
In the same vein, Reddit is own by Condé Nast, an American company. We should ditch Reddit too to be consistent.
Yes please!
Bring back to life Blackberry 😎🤞
Reason I dont see a switch happening easily is that trying to get peoole off windows or legacy systems is very hard.
The entire world’s economy is held together by excel spreadsheets.
France is going bankrupt.
Lets avoid doing anything they are doing.
Our healthcare system are running on American software. Most of the reputable big hospitals in Canada are on EPIC system.
Untangling from american tech will take a while.
For example, those using cloudflares proxy for DNS, do they realize that cloudflare is a legal MITM which can see all your data + modify it? Meaning the US gov can see it.
I am curious what the alternatives are that we could use? Are there Canadian tech options that could be adopted and failing that what are non-US options?
Probably never. I have direct knowledge of a big crown corp plan to decommission their own datacenters and on-prem infrastructure to move completely to Azure in the next 3 years. Go figure 🤷
At the very, very, very least, the government should stop posting shit on X/Twitter.
I program for a living and in my opinion the growth of AI coding is (eventually) going to replace a lot of programming. There will be a transition period where society moves away from old handmade software to more AI built software. I don’t have a strong sense of how quickly that will happen but from what I’ve seen so far I think it will happen.
Either way with open source or with AI software the real cost in building software has been steadily moving from the code itself to the infrastructure needed to run it.
The countries best situated to provide that infrastructure are those that are: cold, with abundant cheap energy (preferably renewable), politically stable, with a robust electrical grid, and with a knowledgable tech workforce.
Almost no country is as well situated as Canada to fill that role. The American companies are already massively expanding their presence in Canada because they understand that situation as well.
So I think for Canada a pressing goal is to establish a sovereign server and cloud provider. Otherwise it will become similar to other industries where Canada provides the raw resources to the US which then creates the actual product that makes most of the money.
Ok. I can’t read it due to pay wall. But largest cloud is Aws, largest two os is ms and apple. db oracle, mssql, etc. Nvidea, intel, amd, like what is France going to replace these with? i don’t really think there are any replacement for these. You gonna get everyone on linux?
All levels of governments and crown corporations need to start doing this asap. Pooling resources with the EU and other countries could make help this. Writing this from an open source browser(Falkon) on an open source OS (Linux ).