(On a side note: The comments below that article are an absolute embarrassment as well. Full of British MAGA equivalents and racists, some of them even blame the crisis on immigration, wow)
PossessionSouthern70 on
We’re not embarressed. We are disappointed
Pedda7 on
Sure it’s always the fault of the CDU.
Let me remind you that the SPD has almost always been in the government since 1998. More often than the CDU…
oecse on
As a car user, once in a while I use public transport to remind myself to never get rid of car and spend last euro when it comes to it.
ex1nax on
That’s rich, coming from the UK 😀
user38835 on
Just now? It has been quite a while.
KeylieRescue on
Still better than the Brits ….
tysk-one on
I’m not embarrassed at all
DeutscheLangsamBahn on
My username is very on point for this topic.
codereview on
Privatizing something almost always makes it worse, news at 11
xrangax on
As someone who switched to public transport this year, my usual 35 minute (25 km) commute has turned into about 1 and a half hours on a good day, and DB has very few good days….
8thSt on
It’s the way of the world
darknesskicker on
Canadian here. I love that there *are* trains connecting all of the medium to large cities in Germany.
Lari-Fari on
I don’t agree with this hyperbole. Yeah there are allot of problems. Yes we need to invest heavily into infrastructure, tech and personell. But it’s also still pretty performant all things considered. Last year I made 6 long distance trips. All of which got me across Germany within 10 minutes of the scheduled time. The vast majority of trains run on time.
Again: there’s no glossing over the problems. The way they calculate what is and isn’t on time is disingenuous. Like cancelled trains don’t go into the statistics etc.
I still choose trains over car and planes for domestic business trips each and every time. I also choose regional trains over commuting by car 99 out of 100 trips per year.
Historical_Bath8530 on
Euro 2024, German trains made more news than the national team
Erdnussfarmer on
Bit ironic coming from the Brits since they pioneered ruining public services via privatization, including their railways. But of course people kept voting for politicians that allowed this for decades…
hooch_i_ming on
This happens when you privatize a good running state-owned enterprise.
pyrovoice on
Germany has one of the longest total coverage, twice as many trains per capita compared to other eu countries, and a fully automated system that’s the best i used not only to book but also to get reimbursement
And people complain about being 20mn late for a travel that cost them basically nothing.
Yes there are issues, but you all really sound like spoiled children. You should go live in any other country for a while, expand your views on what „the norm“ is
generic_Accountname1 on
Compared to similarily dense railwayinfrastructure in other nations… oh wait there is no other contenders
And the moment long due modernisation processes get handled, everybody moans the loudest.
Don’t get me wrong since quasi privatisation shit hasn’t been what was promised, but the outrage is artificial.
Majority of this country votes for the very conservative parties promising way too much to get into position to regress everything for the good of the few, and then this majority turns around to moan the consequences of their actions, whilst being directed at the parties who actually did pick up the slack, despite a temporary qualityreduction neccesary to rebuild.
And trains is just one example of many where this scheme is wholly apparent for anyone not letting themselves get agitated by outrage bait.
Grand-Atmosphere-101 on
Its quite astounding to me how many people here defend the train system here in Germany. A lot of comments saying to compare it to the UK or to other countries and you guys know there’s always room for improvement right? Wasn’t there even a time where trains under 10 minutes late weren’t considered late when that could make the difference between making your connection or not? Why are Germans so defensive of a subpar system?
Bright-Energy-7417 on
The only surprise I have is that it’s taken the Telegraph so many years to realise this. It’s not news to any of us commuting with DB in the last decade.
ulixForReal on
As horrible and shitty as the Deutsche Bahn may be, I wouldn’t trade it for British Rail. In fact I don’t think there’s any country in the Anglosphere I’d trade with. What’s up with that?
Acceptable-Extent-94 on
The Torygraf is a fascist lie sheet. Their demographic will thankfully soon be extinct.
doggoduessel on
Do not compare inner German complaining to actual world-wide quality standards.
1. there are trains and a rail network
2. the quality of service is reasonable
3. the trains are sufficiently on time for millions to use them in commuting daily
4. the trains are competitive with air travel
5. travel and stations are incredibly safe by international standards
Could they be much better: yes
Are they wasteful in management: yes
Are Germans complaining at a high level yet again: yes
There is so much to be improved but by international standards, this truly is first world problems.
kmai0 on
it’s also the stations:
– go to Friedrichstraße in Berlin and today most of the station is shut down, elevators and electric staircases don’t work.
– go to Berlin Hbf and there are broken glasses, elevators/stairs also not working, there is no security.
– Berlin Gesundbrunnen, Ostbahnhof and U-Bahn stations in Berlin are also left to rot, full of spiderwebs, bird crap, gum in the floor, garbage between rails, graffiti, drug dealers, sketchy people in general.
Then you go to a train and again, insecurity. I’ve seen people threatened by a homeless guy with a scissor, vandalism in general if you report it nothing happens.
The innumerable delays because “a signal needs repairing”, “people in the rails without permission”. The sudden realization that everything has to suddenly be maintained.
The lack of ticket control, order, patrolling, the lack of punctuality, no efficiency. There’s no security in the trains, if there are cameras, who’s monitoring them?
The ever-changing schedules so there are delays every. single. day.
Doors, WCs and even entire wagons that do not work.
All of this is paid either by tickets or taxes, so what are we getting in return for that?
GnomKobold on
I don’t give a shit about nationalism and doing a international Schwanzvergleich, but reading this from a british magazine is awakening something unsettling in me….
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(On a side note: The comments below that article are an absolute embarrassment as well. Full of British MAGA equivalents and racists, some of them even blame the crisis on immigration, wow)
We’re not embarressed. We are disappointed
Sure it’s always the fault of the CDU.
Let me remind you that the SPD has almost always been in the government since 1998. More often than the CDU…
As a car user, once in a while I use public transport to remind myself to never get rid of car and spend last euro when it comes to it.
That’s rich, coming from the UK 😀
Just now? It has been quite a while.
Still better than the Brits ….
I’m not embarrassed at all
My username is very on point for this topic.
Privatizing something almost always makes it worse, news at 11
As someone who switched to public transport this year, my usual 35 minute (25 km) commute has turned into about 1 and a half hours on a good day, and DB has very few good days….
It’s the way of the world
Canadian here. I love that there *are* trains connecting all of the medium to large cities in Germany.
I don’t agree with this hyperbole. Yeah there are allot of problems. Yes we need to invest heavily into infrastructure, tech and personell. But it’s also still pretty performant all things considered. Last year I made 6 long distance trips. All of which got me across Germany within 10 minutes of the scheduled time. The vast majority of trains run on time.
Again: there’s no glossing over the problems. The way they calculate what is and isn’t on time is disingenuous. Like cancelled trains don’t go into the statistics etc.
I still choose trains over car and planes for domestic business trips each and every time. I also choose regional trains over commuting by car 99 out of 100 trips per year.
Euro 2024, German trains made more news than the national team
Bit ironic coming from the Brits since they pioneered ruining public services via privatization, including their railways. But of course people kept voting for politicians that allowed this for decades…
This happens when you privatize a good running state-owned enterprise.
Germany has one of the longest total coverage, twice as many trains per capita compared to other eu countries, and a fully automated system that’s the best i used not only to book but also to get reimbursement
And people complain about being 20mn late for a travel that cost them basically nothing.
Yes there are issues, but you all really sound like spoiled children. You should go live in any other country for a while, expand your views on what „the norm“ is
Compared to similarily dense railwayinfrastructure in other nations… oh wait there is no other contenders
And the moment long due modernisation processes get handled, everybody moans the loudest.
Don’t get me wrong since quasi privatisation shit hasn’t been what was promised, but the outrage is artificial.
Majority of this country votes for the very conservative parties promising way too much to get into position to regress everything for the good of the few, and then this majority turns around to moan the consequences of their actions, whilst being directed at the parties who actually did pick up the slack, despite a temporary qualityreduction neccesary to rebuild.
And trains is just one example of many where this scheme is wholly apparent for anyone not letting themselves get agitated by outrage bait.
Its quite astounding to me how many people here defend the train system here in Germany. A lot of comments saying to compare it to the UK or to other countries and you guys know there’s always room for improvement right? Wasn’t there even a time where trains under 10 minutes late weren’t considered late when that could make the difference between making your connection or not? Why are Germans so defensive of a subpar system?
The only surprise I have is that it’s taken the Telegraph so many years to realise this. It’s not news to any of us commuting with DB in the last decade.
As horrible and shitty as the Deutsche Bahn may be, I wouldn’t trade it for British Rail. In fact I don’t think there’s any country in the Anglosphere I’d trade with. What’s up with that?
The Torygraf is a fascist lie sheet. Their demographic will thankfully soon be extinct.
Do not compare inner German complaining to actual world-wide quality standards.
1. there are trains and a rail network
2. the quality of service is reasonable
3. the trains are sufficiently on time for millions to use them in commuting daily
4. the trains are competitive with air travel
5. travel and stations are incredibly safe by international standards
Could they be much better: yes
Are they wasteful in management: yes
Are Germans complaining at a high level yet again: yes
There is so much to be improved but by international standards, this truly is first world problems.
it’s also the stations:
– go to Friedrichstraße in Berlin and today most of the station is shut down, elevators and electric staircases don’t work.
– go to Berlin Hbf and there are broken glasses, elevators/stairs also not working, there is no security.
– Berlin Gesundbrunnen, Ostbahnhof and U-Bahn stations in Berlin are also left to rot, full of spiderwebs, bird crap, gum in the floor, garbage between rails, graffiti, drug dealers, sketchy people in general.
Then you go to a train and again, insecurity. I’ve seen people threatened by a homeless guy with a scissor, vandalism in general if you report it nothing happens.
The innumerable delays because “a signal needs repairing”, “people in the rails without permission”. The sudden realization that everything has to suddenly be maintained.
The lack of ticket control, order, patrolling, the lack of punctuality, no efficiency. There’s no security in the trains, if there are cameras, who’s monitoring them?
The ever-changing schedules so there are delays every. single. day.
Doors, WCs and even entire wagons that do not work.
All of this is paid either by tickets or taxes, so what are we getting in return for that?
I don’t give a shit about nationalism and doing a international Schwanzvergleich, but reading this from a british magazine is awakening something unsettling in me….