But Stadium owners and team owners are rich! Everyone knows only the obscenely rich deserve government welfare!
mcdisease on
I stopped supporting this as soon as I figured out they never stop demanding that we pay for their stadium and if we don’t, they leave.
Sports were better in the 80’s and 90’s anyways. Screw these oligarchs.
BigJordi10 on
It’s called corruption…
StrangerFew2424 on
How else are politicians supposed to get ‚donations‘ from billionaires…. 🤔
DazzleBellee on
It’s just corporate welfare. That money could fix so many potholes, it’s insane.
Virbillion on
the biggest con (outside of the epstein cover up) of my lifetime is for profit institutions convincing tax payers to cover their expense and just pocketing the profits.
sports stadiums.
wal marts.
and the single greatest culprit is musk.
we have a billionaire infestation because big business no longer requires financial risk. tax payers now cover the risk.
the richest man on earth is also the number one recipient of welfare.
the ultra-rich have become the welfare class.
OtterlyFeral on
While I get where this is coming from, more and more private owners are funding their own buildings. The rams/chargers, jets/giants, and raiders stadiums were all the most recently built stadiums in the league. If you look at arenas, the 76ers and flyers are working on a new arena privately funded, as are the eagles (granted the 76ers used philadelphia to get what they wanted by having the city approve their new arena downtown only to back out once they reached a new deal with the flyers). It has been falling out of favor for awhile now to have stadiums be subsidized by cities.
One_Disaster_5995 on
Silly. Sports, like arts, are part of culture. Culture is identity. Identity is unity. Unity is power.
Give people bread and games and they will never revolt. The Romans already knew this.
ANTILAMER13 on
It serves a purpose. The point of sports is to appease the masses.
George Orwell: sports serve as a powerful tool for distraction, keeping the working class (or „proles“ in 1984) distracted, entertained, and thus compliant under a controlling, often totalitarian, regime.
Orwell viewed this intense focus on sport not as healthy recreation, but as a method to fill the „horizon of their minds,“ preventing them from dwelling on their miserable living conditions or questioning authority.
Apathetic_Zealot on
Capitalism is about profit. Nothing is more profitable than having someone else pay for your assets. Politicians can brag they brought jobs to the area while the franchise gives them campaign donations from the money they fleeced from the public coffers.
PleasantWay7 on
There is a good reason, if you lose the team, you might lose reelection. Voter reactions to the reality on the ground drive these decisions.
Ensiferum on
There’s tons of research on this. Any economic benefit for the surrounding area is negligible. Only lines the pockets of billionaires.
Vegetable-Error-2068 on
Sport are another “pillar” of American culture for all the wrong reasons.
It is part of “bread and circuses,” sure, but it’s also a glaring, insidious example of how America worships aggression and athleticism and crude ideas of “strength” instead of intellect and wisdom and good governance.
SuperstitiousPigeon5 on
Bread and circuses.
Im_Talking on
Bread and circuses.
Playful-Artichoke-67 on
Looking at you Qualcomm/ SD
kevendo on
I too don’t think we should allow the extortion of tax payers.
notassigned2023 on
Illinois got burned in decades past and will never do it again. Bears take notice.
AndYetAnotherUserID on
I say cancel the planned Washington commanders stadium … especially since some orange clown wants it named after him. I’d bet there would be widespread support for this.
thisisjustascreename on
The reason is because the billionaire owner will write each of them a $5,000 check for the next election in exchange for millions of taxpayer dollars.
thingsorfreedom on
There is only one good reason. Other cities do this to entice teams to move there and cities where teams are now would have heartbroken fans if the team left. Sports fans know the bonding and socializing and collective joy and sorrow that come from rooting for the home town team. Sports connects us all.
ProgressBartender on
Corruption
RioRancher on
You’d need a national ban to end the arms race. Although, a publicly-owned stadium where the team pays rent to the municipality is ok.
JohnnyDigsIt on
Bread and circuses. The oligarchs enjoy watching the spectacle almost as much as they enjoy laughing at the people who paid for it.
JahoclaveS on
I had to laugh when the first consortium trying to bring an mls team to St. Louis honestly thought the voters would approve public funding only a few years after the rams debacle.
nutano on
I agree that governments should not subsidize pro level stadiums just to keep a team in town and not have any asset to show for it… I am not opposed to things like discount on some taxes or permits costs so long as they have conditions attached to them – such as commitments for local charity, hospitals and such and to prioritize local businesses over large multi nationals (ex: not only serve Coors, Bud and Molson products – but also give contracts to small local breweries, give local restaurant chains spots in the concession areas…
Pro level sports attracts a lot of outside money into the city in the form of hotel stays, transit\taxi\air travel\restaurants revenue. They are also good part-time employers.
I think some cities kicking in tens or even hundreds of millions in subsidies without a good chunk of ownership\revenue sharing is a total mis-appropriation of public funds.
Now, if a city\municipality\government will be part owner and reap some of the revenues – then it really depends on if the city is able to afford it, but it can be an investment that pays for itself and sometimes even more… however, let’s be real. There are very few levels of governments that are actually not swimming in debt these days.
kummer5peck on
There are not many things to admire about Missouri, but one is that they don’t play this game with billionaire team owners. St Louis let the Rams leave and Kansas City let the next town over pay for the Chiefs stadium.
NPVT on
Passing taxpayer dollars to the rich is the reason
TerminalObsessions on
To be clear, they keep doing it because the same oligarchs who own the stadiums own the politicians. It’s not a mystery.
MiddleAgedSponger on
Billiionaires own politicians and stadiums. It’s cheaper to buy elections than stadiums. It really is that simple.
Squirrelluver369 on
Bread and circuses…
spiff2268 on
I remember an interview with John McCain where he was proposing a bill that would forbid a team from blacking out a non-sellout game if the venue was built using taxpayer money. Obviously it went absolutely nowhere.
atlienk on
Look up: Stadiums: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) on YouTube.
The video is ~10 years old, but still so applicable.
Kharax82 on
As someone that worked in hospitality near a large stadium for many years, I always find this sentiment out of touch with reality. Stadiums are not just used for sports, but concerts, conventions/expositions, festivals or even stuff like monster truck rallies or university graduations
The most money I ever made was when the Super Bowl was in town. I made about 6 weeks of my typical income in a single weekend
The second most was when Taylor Swift was in town. Endless teenage girls and their moms with tons of money.
Travelingdabber on
Figure who’s getting paid. Follow the money
cowboi on
im only ok with it if its written in the contract incase of emergency the facility is to be used as a location.
tonylouis1337 on
Yay let’s just keep ruining everything
oneseason2000 on
„Governments“ meaning supposed public servants that are on the take?
whydontyousuckmyball on
Talk about receiving a refund for the public
ProofElevator5662 on
What about the Green Bay Packers?
jwg020 on
Sure there is. Sports keep people entertained and distracted. Thats the point.
Secure-Window-5478 on
Fuck the billionaire owners. Only the Greenbay Packers deserve public funding for anything because they are owned by the fans.
cookm3 on
The entire saga of Ohio Republicans dumping state unclaimed funds into a new Browns stadium infuriates me. Millions of dollars of money that belongs to people is just being shoveled to the ultra-rich instead of the state actually trying to get that money back to people.
rysker6 on
If you own your business, I shouldn’t have to help you with it.
You don’t pay for my house
You don’t pay for my insurance
You don’t pay for my car
You can’t pay for your business, you don’t deserve it
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But Stadium owners and team owners are rich! Everyone knows only the obscenely rich deserve government welfare!
I stopped supporting this as soon as I figured out they never stop demanding that we pay for their stadium and if we don’t, they leave.
Sports were better in the 80’s and 90’s anyways. Screw these oligarchs.
It’s called corruption…
How else are politicians supposed to get ‚donations‘ from billionaires…. 🤔
It’s just corporate welfare. That money could fix so many potholes, it’s insane.
the biggest con (outside of the epstein cover up) of my lifetime is for profit institutions convincing tax payers to cover their expense and just pocketing the profits.
sports stadiums.
wal marts.
and the single greatest culprit is musk.
we have a billionaire infestation because big business no longer requires financial risk. tax payers now cover the risk.
the richest man on earth is also the number one recipient of welfare.
the ultra-rich have become the welfare class.
While I get where this is coming from, more and more private owners are funding their own buildings. The rams/chargers, jets/giants, and raiders stadiums were all the most recently built stadiums in the league. If you look at arenas, the 76ers and flyers are working on a new arena privately funded, as are the eagles (granted the 76ers used philadelphia to get what they wanted by having the city approve their new arena downtown only to back out once they reached a new deal with the flyers). It has been falling out of favor for awhile now to have stadiums be subsidized by cities.
Silly. Sports, like arts, are part of culture. Culture is identity. Identity is unity. Unity is power.
Give people bread and games and they will never revolt. The Romans already knew this.
It serves a purpose. The point of sports is to appease the masses.
George Orwell: sports serve as a powerful tool for distraction, keeping the working class (or „proles“ in 1984) distracted, entertained, and thus compliant under a controlling, often totalitarian, regime.
Orwell viewed this intense focus on sport not as healthy recreation, but as a method to fill the „horizon of their minds,“ preventing them from dwelling on their miserable living conditions or questioning authority.
Capitalism is about profit. Nothing is more profitable than having someone else pay for your assets. Politicians can brag they brought jobs to the area while the franchise gives them campaign donations from the money they fleeced from the public coffers.
There is a good reason, if you lose the team, you might lose reelection. Voter reactions to the reality on the ground drive these decisions.
There’s tons of research on this. Any economic benefit for the surrounding area is negligible. Only lines the pockets of billionaires.
Sport are another “pillar” of American culture for all the wrong reasons.
It is part of “bread and circuses,” sure, but it’s also a glaring, insidious example of how America worships aggression and athleticism and crude ideas of “strength” instead of intellect and wisdom and good governance.
Bread and circuses.
Bread and circuses.
Looking at you Qualcomm/ SD
I too don’t think we should allow the extortion of tax payers.
Illinois got burned in decades past and will never do it again. Bears take notice.
I say cancel the planned Washington commanders stadium … especially since some orange clown wants it named after him. I’d bet there would be widespread support for this.
The reason is because the billionaire owner will write each of them a $5,000 check for the next election in exchange for millions of taxpayer dollars.
There is only one good reason. Other cities do this to entice teams to move there and cities where teams are now would have heartbroken fans if the team left. Sports fans know the bonding and socializing and collective joy and sorrow that come from rooting for the home town team. Sports connects us all.
Corruption
You’d need a national ban to end the arms race. Although, a publicly-owned stadium where the team pays rent to the municipality is ok.
Bread and circuses. The oligarchs enjoy watching the spectacle almost as much as they enjoy laughing at the people who paid for it.
I had to laugh when the first consortium trying to bring an mls team to St. Louis honestly thought the voters would approve public funding only a few years after the rams debacle.
I agree that governments should not subsidize pro level stadiums just to keep a team in town and not have any asset to show for it… I am not opposed to things like discount on some taxes or permits costs so long as they have conditions attached to them – such as commitments for local charity, hospitals and such and to prioritize local businesses over large multi nationals (ex: not only serve Coors, Bud and Molson products – but also give contracts to small local breweries, give local restaurant chains spots in the concession areas…
Pro level sports attracts a lot of outside money into the city in the form of hotel stays, transit\taxi\air travel\restaurants revenue. They are also good part-time employers.
I think some cities kicking in tens or even hundreds of millions in subsidies without a good chunk of ownership\revenue sharing is a total mis-appropriation of public funds.
Now, if a city\municipality\government will be part owner and reap some of the revenues – then it really depends on if the city is able to afford it, but it can be an investment that pays for itself and sometimes even more… however, let’s be real. There are very few levels of governments that are actually not swimming in debt these days.
There are not many things to admire about Missouri, but one is that they don’t play this game with billionaire team owners. St Louis let the Rams leave and Kansas City let the next town over pay for the Chiefs stadium.
Passing taxpayer dollars to the rich is the reason
To be clear, they keep doing it because the same oligarchs who own the stadiums own the politicians. It’s not a mystery.
Billiionaires own politicians and stadiums. It’s cheaper to buy elections than stadiums. It really is that simple.
Bread and circuses…
I remember an interview with John McCain where he was proposing a bill that would forbid a team from blacking out a non-sellout game if the venue was built using taxpayer money. Obviously it went absolutely nowhere.
Look up: Stadiums: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) on YouTube.
The video is ~10 years old, but still so applicable.
As someone that worked in hospitality near a large stadium for many years, I always find this sentiment out of touch with reality. Stadiums are not just used for sports, but concerts, conventions/expositions, festivals or even stuff like monster truck rallies or university graduations
The most money I ever made was when the Super Bowl was in town. I made about 6 weeks of my typical income in a single weekend
The second most was when Taylor Swift was in town. Endless teenage girls and their moms with tons of money.
Figure who’s getting paid. Follow the money
im only ok with it if its written in the contract incase of emergency the facility is to be used as a location.
Yay let’s just keep ruining everything
„Governments“ meaning supposed public servants that are on the take?
Talk about receiving a refund for the public
What about the Green Bay Packers?
Sure there is. Sports keep people entertained and distracted. Thats the point.
Fuck the billionaire owners. Only the Greenbay Packers deserve public funding for anything because they are owned by the fans.
The entire saga of Ohio Republicans dumping state unclaimed funds into a new Browns stadium infuriates me. Millions of dollars of money that belongs to people is just being shoveled to the ultra-rich instead of the state actually trying to get that money back to people.
If you own your business, I shouldn’t have to help you with it.
You don’t pay for my house
You don’t pay for my insurance
You don’t pay for my car
You can’t pay for your business, you don’t deserve it