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  1. ChocoPuddingCup on

    Honestly, the older you get the more you realize there’s a lot of people that just piss you off. I can understand the really old, cranky people.

  2. hopefulcynicist on

    Would be interested to see the relationship between age and *use* of hate speech. 

  3. m_bleep_bloop on

    The text of the linked article doesn’t seem to talk about the headline at all. It’s all about how support for banning hate speech has not changed over time, while support for free speech is slowly decreasing across all demographics. Need to dive into the study to see if the headline is supported in there at all.

  4. Stupid_Guitar on

    I’m in my late-50s. I supported banning hate speech when I was young and I support banning it now.

  5. m_bleep_bloop on

    “Given the period model is the more parsimonious of the two models, these comparisons suggest that changes in free speech support are largely due to widely shared sociopolitical changes between 2019 and 2023, albeit with some minor differences between cohorts. Indeed, a visual inspection of the plot for each birth cohort’s trend over the course of five annual assessments (i.e., the gray lines in Figures 1 and 2) supports this interpretation. Specifically, Figure 1 shows that among New Zealand Europeans, all birth cohorts were decreasing in their support for free speech, although this was slightly less pronounced in middle birth cohorts. Similarly, Figure 2 reveals that among ethnic minority group members, all birth cohorts were also decreasing in their support for free speech, albeit this was less pronounced in the youngest cohort. This suggests that a widespread period effect may be influencing attitudes about free speech.” — so yeah the headline is deeply misleading, especially since it’s only about New Zealanders over a few years period. Rather less conclusive than the headline is saying

  6. Any-Future144 on

    It’s far from a coincidence that people are being encouraged to undermine support for free speech as wealth disparities between the rich and poor increase. The wealthy will be sure to train their cattle to abandon the source of all their rights and their means of dissent.

  7. CommonSence123 on

    I don’t trust the government to determine what is and isn’t hate speech

  8. MassiveTomorrow2978 on

    Its because you could theoretically declare anything hate speech to silence your opponents, I thought everybody understood that by now?

  9. I don’t support banning vague redefineable concept in general. Even if I like one version of how it’s implemented there’s no guarantee I like future iterations. No guarantee it doesn’t get used to limit legitimate freedom of speech. What happens when criticizing the leader of the country gets classified as hate speech and you’re helpless to do anything but watch? Hey, at least it was worth it to hear a few less mean words in the lead up amirite

    You can scoff at the idea of laws get flipped and used against you like that but it’s extremely shortsighted. The wrong person gets power and things can take a dark turn real quick

  10. NoResponse1578 on

    1. its only fun when your side gets to put the other side in jail, its less fun when the other side can do it.
    2. countries with strong protections on hate speech tend to protect corrupt institutions more than they protect individuals… Ask yourself if corrupt business, polticical and religious leaders have more access to legal systems than the poor kid getting picked on
    3. in a diverse and complex multi cultural space, their is a fine line between honesty and abuse.

    The older you are, the more you see all that and have experienced all that.

  11. The primary issue with the topic of „hate speech“ is that it’s either never clearly defined OR is defined in such absurd ways that it’s basically censorship. That’s why there’s pushback and I can honestly understand it.

  12. “Hate speech” seems way too easy to weaponize as a crime if you actually create legislation to ban it (and it passes through the Supreme Court as ok per the first amendment).

    If you support this ban, do you honestly trust Donald Trump to be the man at the top of the chain of whatever agency is in charge of interpreting it?

  13. The problem is that „hate speech“ is by definition subjective. Much like „offensive language“. You can not objectively clarify the statement.

  14. Ok-disaster2022 on

    What is hate speech? could it be that hate speech itself is expanding to include more worse phrases ideology. 

    As a society that values free speech I think this is something that can never be absolutely decided once and for all simply because language itself evolves. Formerly scientific words have become hate speech because of how vernacular treats  them. white nationalists are always trying to find new code words to dig whistle. But at the same time I can understand older people whose brains are less plastic to remain up to speed on what you should and shouldn’t say, and it’s not out if hate, just ignoranceband lack of exposure. 

  15. Fast_Performer_3722 on

    I found this to be the most important part of the study

    > We used multigroup cohort-sequential modeling, which involves sequentially estimating longitudinal change over time among adjacent birth cohorts. By taking this approach, we can identify any temporal changes (or stability) in support for free speech or banning hate speech associated with the historical period in which a person was born and socialized.

    So if you’re worried about the methodology – don’t. I generally ignore social studies but this was robust and, If I can be so bold, pretty accurate.

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