We need less compression on the 4k data. Lossless audio.
Old-Benefit4441 on
The thing TV needs most is a proper HDR standard that works consistently and adapts to ambient lighting.
Downtown-Sell5949 on
It doesn’t really matter anyway when Netflix “4K” streams are at the same bitrate as the 720p remuxes I can get on the seven seas.
C-Towner on
I wish people understood bitrate was such an important aspect of digital video. Resolution is only one part, and so many streaming services that offer 4k have abysmal bitrates.
Losreyes-of-Lost on
This is where TV producers and game makers need to realize we are seeing less improvements in doubling down on graphics and resolution. Niche stuff like 3D is also not the path forward. I believe the next step is quality. Folks want products that are built to last and don’t need to upgrade every 2 to 3 years. It’s not sexy but it’s what is right
HansBooby on
acquisition in 8K sure, that has a place but not for presentation. never really had a mainstream use
Konukaame on
People watching on their phones, tablets, and laptops aren’t even watching in 4k, which makes even that relatively niche.
The problem is for the quality to be discernible in comparison to 4k, you have to be uncomfortably close to a huge TV.
Rtings describes A ‚Cinema‘ style setup as taking up approximately 40 degrees of your field of view. While Mixed-use (games etc) should be closer to 30. Well if we do the math from the example above, a Cinema setup for an 80 inch tv, according to Rtings, would be a viewing distance of 8 ft minimum. More for mixed use, like 10 ft. So the numbers just dont work unless I’m really missing something.
AND, there are two other big problems, the biggest really. 1- There is very little 8k content. 2- Streaming causes compression artifacts that make the likelihood of 8k being beneficial even lower.
So even if you managed to get your hands on some 8k capable videogames, and theres a decent, if small, list now. If you are just going to stream content without paying for a high quality, high-bandwith service, 8k is pointless. And we are in the era of streaming now where most people are watching stuff on netflix or disney plus.
The tech is interesting but its starting to look like 3D TVs all over again. The sales graph in the article shows that roughly a 1/4 – 1/3 (hard to tell) of TV sales are still 1080p.
753UDKM on
I’m still using a 1080p tv and honestly who cares. I can’t be bothered to upgrade to 4k. I have no need for it.
mearbode on
4K is more than enough.
1080p is enough for most as well, I have a 75″ and watch mostly 1080p.
I sit about 4m from the TV, which means it is well within „Retina“ – the old Apple formula for when pixels are invisible with a 20/20 vision (which most don’t have).
If you can’t see the pixels – who cares?
THE SHAREHOLDERS, THAT’S WHO!
WHY WOULDN’T YOU CARE ABOUT THE SHAREHOLDERS YOU MONSTER?!!
_chip on
Better late than never. Not enough content. When TVs got 4K resolution, there are times when what you are watching didn’t look convincing. It appears as if you’re watching it getting filmed in front of you.
anxietydude112 on
8k belongs in movie theaters no? Just like 3D?
Thisbymaster on
I have a 4k TV and most media sources are not really sending 4k so the money for an 8k is really not in the cards.
alwaysmorelmn on
The goal of improving resolution is to improve fidelity with the real world detail our eyes can detect. 4K at most household distances already reaches the limit of what a human eye can distinguish.
But the dynamic contrast range of almost all displays is still extremely lacking when compared to real world vision. HDR is attempting to fix this, and the results are significant, but there’s still a lot of ground to be gained. This is the direction the new upgrades in display tech should be moving in.
However, color science is much more complicated to arrive at broad industry consensus around; way easier to just keep shoving in more pixel density.
cityspeak on
They also thought 3d movies were gonna make a comeback.
Silicon_Knight on
Higher resolution only matters at certain (close) distances. Beyond being directly in front of my screen, or the screen being 200 inches, it’s kind of irrelevant.
Not to mention most content you watch is very compressed and with physical media dying / dead the streaming providers compression is what matters more.
IMHO lots of tech has changed from „spec marketing“ to „usable marketing“. I.e. its not about 433 MHz vs 500 MHz or 4K vs 8K, its more practical now because the tech just keeps improving and its nearly impossible to chase.
Just my 2c of course people will still chase the specs, but I think it’s harder to build a brand just on that.
LolaBaraba on
The biggest problem is the quality of content itself – you need a large filming budget for your movie/show to stand up to the scrutiny of 4K, let alone 8K. I’ve stopped watching most TV shows in 4K, because the sets, the makeup, the costumes, the wigs etc. simply aren’t of high enough quality and you easily see it in 4k. You also see it often in remastered old movies/shows.
ioncloud9 on
More resolution isnt going to save tv. Reversing this trend of 2 years between seasons of only 6 episodes will save it.
hypermog on
I’m excited to watch the 1080p upscale to 4k for the Super Bowl
TheVenetianMask on
The folks they outsource production to can’t afford 8K processing machines.
Cosmic_Surgery on
A decent 4k discs with Dolby Vision will blow every streamer out of the water. That being said, it depends on the mastering and the color grading. Some 4k discs are simply upscaled from a 2k source. Thefore a HD Blu-ray often looks better than a sloppy 4k AI upscale with uneven HDR. Most people don’t even notice the difference between 1080p and 4k.
That_Jicama2024 on
Who wants an 8k tv that just upresses 720p streams? Streaming is dogshit when compared to bluray and actual 4k.
baronvondoofie on
I’m holding out for 32K personally…
Seriously though, seems a bit premature to start hawking 8K when 4K content is just now starting to appear a bit more.
nullv on
If I streamed 8k I would hit my data cap half way through the film.
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Good. Because 4k is perfect.
We need less compression on the 4k data. Lossless audio.
The thing TV needs most is a proper HDR standard that works consistently and adapts to ambient lighting.
It doesn’t really matter anyway when Netflix “4K” streams are at the same bitrate as the 720p remuxes I can get on the seven seas.
I wish people understood bitrate was such an important aspect of digital video. Resolution is only one part, and so many streaming services that offer 4k have abysmal bitrates.
This is where TV producers and game makers need to realize we are seeing less improvements in doubling down on graphics and resolution. Niche stuff like 3D is also not the path forward. I believe the next step is quality. Folks want products that are built to last and don’t need to upgrade every 2 to 3 years. It’s not sexy but it’s what is right
acquisition in 8K sure, that has a place but not for presentation. never really had a mainstream use
People watching on their phones, tablets, and laptops aren’t even watching in 4k, which makes even that relatively niche.
This right here is a big part:
>The University of Cambridge’s [display resolution calculator](https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/rainbow/projects/display_calc/), which is based on a study from researchers at the university’s Department of Computer Science and Technology and Meta, funded by Meta, and published in [Nature](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-64679-2) in October, suggests that your eyes can only make use of 8K resolution on a 50-inch screen if you’re viewing it from a distance of 1 meter (3.3 feet) or less. Similarly, you would have to be sitting pretty close (2–3 meters/6.6–9.8 feet) to an 80-inch or 100-inch TV for 8K resolution to be beneficial. The [findings are similar](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/05/does-the-world-really-need-8k-resolution-game-consoles/) to those from [RTINGs.com](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-64679-2).
The problem is for the quality to be discernible in comparison to 4k, you have to be uncomfortably close to a huge TV.
Rtings describes A ‚Cinema‘ style setup as taking up approximately 40 degrees of your field of view. While Mixed-use (games etc) should be closer to 30. Well if we do the math from the example above, a Cinema setup for an 80 inch tv, according to Rtings, would be a viewing distance of 8 ft minimum. More for mixed use, like 10 ft. So the numbers just dont work unless I’m really missing something.
AND, there are two other big problems, the biggest really. 1- There is very little 8k content. 2- Streaming causes compression artifacts that make the likelihood of 8k being beneficial even lower.
So even if you managed to get your hands on some 8k capable videogames, and theres a decent, if small, list now. If you are just going to stream content without paying for a high quality, high-bandwith service, 8k is pointless. And we are in the era of streaming now where most people are watching stuff on netflix or disney plus.
The tech is interesting but its starting to look like 3D TVs all over again. The sales graph in the article shows that roughly a 1/4 – 1/3 (hard to tell) of TV sales are still 1080p.
I’m still using a 1080p tv and honestly who cares. I can’t be bothered to upgrade to 4k. I have no need for it.
4K is more than enough.
1080p is enough for most as well, I have a 75″ and watch mostly 1080p.
I sit about 4m from the TV, which means it is well within „Retina“ – the old Apple formula for when pixels are invisible with a 20/20 vision (which most don’t have).
If you can’t see the pixels – who cares?
THE SHAREHOLDERS, THAT’S WHO!
WHY WOULDN’T YOU CARE ABOUT THE SHAREHOLDERS YOU MONSTER?!!
Better late than never. Not enough content. When TVs got 4K resolution, there are times when what you are watching didn’t look convincing. It appears as if you’re watching it getting filmed in front of you.
8k belongs in movie theaters no? Just like 3D?
I have a 4k TV and most media sources are not really sending 4k so the money for an 8k is really not in the cards.
The goal of improving resolution is to improve fidelity with the real world detail our eyes can detect. 4K at most household distances already reaches the limit of what a human eye can distinguish.
But the dynamic contrast range of almost all displays is still extremely lacking when compared to real world vision. HDR is attempting to fix this, and the results are significant, but there’s still a lot of ground to be gained. This is the direction the new upgrades in display tech should be moving in.
However, color science is much more complicated to arrive at broad industry consensus around; way easier to just keep shoving in more pixel density.
They also thought 3d movies were gonna make a comeback.
Higher resolution only matters at certain (close) distances. Beyond being directly in front of my screen, or the screen being 200 inches, it’s kind of irrelevant.
Not to mention most content you watch is very compressed and with physical media dying / dead the streaming providers compression is what matters more.
IMHO lots of tech has changed from „spec marketing“ to „usable marketing“. I.e. its not about 433 MHz vs 500 MHz or 4K vs 8K, its more practical now because the tech just keeps improving and its nearly impossible to chase.
Just my 2c of course people will still chase the specs, but I think it’s harder to build a brand just on that.
The biggest problem is the quality of content itself – you need a large filming budget for your movie/show to stand up to the scrutiny of 4K, let alone 8K. I’ve stopped watching most TV shows in 4K, because the sets, the makeup, the costumes, the wigs etc. simply aren’t of high enough quality and you easily see it in 4k. You also see it often in remastered old movies/shows.
More resolution isnt going to save tv. Reversing this trend of 2 years between seasons of only 6 episodes will save it.
I’m excited to watch the 1080p upscale to 4k for the Super Bowl
The folks they outsource production to can’t afford 8K processing machines.
A decent 4k discs with Dolby Vision will blow every streamer out of the water. That being said, it depends on the mastering and the color grading. Some 4k discs are simply upscaled from a 2k source. Thefore a HD Blu-ray often looks better than a sloppy 4k AI upscale with uneven HDR. Most people don’t even notice the difference between 1080p and 4k.
Who wants an 8k tv that just upresses 720p streams? Streaming is dogshit when compared to bluray and actual 4k.
I’m holding out for 32K personally…
Seriously though, seems a bit premature to start hawking 8K when 4K content is just now starting to appear a bit more.
If I streamed 8k I would hit my data cap half way through the film.