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    NATO-Chef Rutte: „Träumen Sie weiter“, wenn Sie glauben, Europa könnte sich ohne die USA verteidigen

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    1. chapster303 on

      That is such a stupid fucking thing to say.  Maybe it’s time for a change of management.

    2. LetterNo7829 on

      Ah yes Mark, way to project power towards our enemies. You fucking moron. 

    4. Krisparz on

      Sounds like he’s afraid of being out of a job if the EU replaces NATO without the US.

      It’s worth mentioning that the combine forces in the EU closely match those of the US yet Ukraine has made it obvious that Russia cannot live up to their military propaganda.

    5. Standard_Program7042 on

      The EU has nuclear armed member states, no one is invading them… Like come on

    6. RustyBasement on

      Defend against whom? Russia can’t take Ukraine so its no conventional threat to western Europe. If it tried to attack the Baltics then it would be beaten by European air-power alone.

      China isn’t a conventional military threat either. Is he talking about nukes?

      Edit: Yep, he’s talking nukes. The French have an independent deterrent. Expanding that wouldn’t cost double defence European defence spending especially with the UK having independent warhead manufacture too.

    7. ThatsItImOverThis on

      This guy needs to go. He clearly has his nose in between Trump’s butt cheeks

    8. relax_live_longer on

      From who? There is no way a Russian land invasion gets past Poland. It would suck to find out but it’s true.

    9. Musicman1972 on

      He’s head of NATO yet thinks the only nuclear protection Europe has is from the US?

    12. Desnowshaite on

      Russia made the same sort of assumption of Europe: The EU will do fuck all about Ukraine because they are too dependent on Russia and its energy. It took 3-4 years to detach but the EU showed the middle finger to Russia and worked out how to get rid of almost all Russian energy imports to date and keeps working on completely get rid of it in the next 1-2 years.

      The US now says the same thing: The EU cannot defend itself and we need the US… Well, we may not be as strong without the US but there is no current threat that we could not deal with right away (Russia proved over the last few years they are incompetent), and any other threats are not that imminent that Europe couldn’t spend a few years to spin up the war industry and beef up the military.

      Assuming Europe *must* have the US as an ally because otherwise the EU is lost is just wrong.

    13. religionisanger on

      I mean the idea is they don’t need to. Contemplating a World War is the exact opposite of why NATO was formed in the first place. It’s not a big dick contest, it’s the world’s largest, shared dick.

    14. butwhywedothis on

      Someone give him a Witcher’s sword already. He has enough oil for 3 years.

    15. factanonverba_n on

      3.5 million troops is NATO.

      2 million European troops in Europe.

      1.5 million us troops worldwide.

      And this fucking idiot thinks the 60,000 american troops in Europe is the only thing protecting Europe?

      What a fucking idiot.

    16. Significant_Smile847 on

      I think at this point Europe is trying to defend itself FROM the US!

    17. ActAccomplished586 on

      Against who?!

      Our biggest threat is Russia and they can’t even defeat Ukraine.

      Fucking moron.

    23. Ko_tatsu on

      For non European people: this was the same guy who during COVID tanked the proposal of EuroBonds. An absolute scumbag and an anti-europeist at heart, i will be extremely glad when Trump will finally stab him in the back.

      Fuck you Rutte, you’re a fucking traitor.

    24. CMG30 on

      Defend Europe against whom exactly? Russia? They’re currently sending donkeys to the front lines in Ukraine.

      China? How is China going to get there?

      Really the only credible threat to Europe is an America outside of NATO.

      Keep in mind that Rutte’s only job is to keep NATO together.

    25. FlagellatedCitrid0 on

      not sure that quote is going to help the situation but i appreciate the sentiment because i agree

      NATO was set up so every party had a piece of the puzzle for their common defense.

    26. sevksytime on

      So, although I agree that it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Europe to spend more on military, I’m not sure who the direct threat is.

      EU – spends about 450 billion on military.

      UK- spends about 60 billion on military.

      Canada (NATO) – 62 billion on militarily.

      Total (Even without the US)- 572 billion

      Russia- 149 billion (that’s while they’re at war with Ukraine, so higher than normal)

      China- 247 billion (may be higher depending on sources)

      Total- 396 billion

      Again, it would be prudent to spend more seeing the state of the world, but it’s not like Europe is significantly behind it’s enemies in any way. What is more concerning is the lack defense infrastructure, factories etc, which will take some years to build up anyway. Am I missing something?

    27. loud-spider on

      But see here’s the thing: That’s what the US are proposing. So we need to do something so as not to be at the whim of someone who’s clinically insane.

    32. LayneLowe on

      From whom?
      Russia can’t even beat Ukraine.
      China’s not attacking Europe they’re selling them stuff.

    33. tens00r on

      He actually suggested that 10% of GDP is the necessary amount for Europe to be able defend itself, which is so completely ludicrous that it beggers belief, especially coming from the actual, real life NATO chief. It’s so ridiculous that it makes Rutte impossible to take seriously.

      10% of GDP is „we want to become the global military hegemon“ level, not „we want to defend ourselves from Russia“ level. At 10%, the combined military spending of EU would be *$2.25 TRILLION*. The US military budget is, for reference, approximately $1 trillion. It’s a notion completely divorced from reality. Even 3.5% spending would put EU defense spending at $800 billion, and that’s not including any non-EU nato nations like the UK or Norway.

    34. DrStrangelove2025 on

      If you claim someone can’t defend themselves but don’t identify against what, then you are bullshitting. Adequate defense depends on the specific threat.

    35. Jeffuk88 on

      Who cant we defend ourselves against other than the US themselves? In what scenario could Russia beat NATO without america and who else other than america has threatened europe?

    36. Scared-Signature-452 on

      I think this guy is personally invested in the relationships, maybe getting kickbacks from the US defense cos.

    37. ragnarocknroll on

      From whom?

      Russia?

      Hahahahaha. They can’t manage to win their current war and would get stomped into the ground by an angry Poland that had an excuse.

      China?

      They have to go through a nuclear capable neighbor first. They also don’t need to attack Europe and are more likely to look at Taiwan. Especially with the current admin doing everything but reassuring Taiwan.

      India? Pakistan? Neither is interested and both have the other as a concern.

      The only country that is a viable threat to NATO right now that has actually threatened it is… the US.
      So maybe on that front, sure…

    38. Rezenbekk on

      Why are the nukes totally ignored in this kind of talks? The UK and France got ‚em, that should be enough to prevent any threats to NATO. This unwillingness is worrying.

    39. J-Dog780 on

      What a joke. Russa can’t even defeat one little country on it’s boarder. Every General in NATO thought it would be over in 3 days just like the delusional Russian Generals. They all drank the Russian kool-aid.

    42. Korkikrac on

      What a clown, he’s just trying to scare people to keep his job.

      If things get critical, France has enough nuclear weapons to deter and push back any aggressor.

      The real threat right now is his buddy Donald and his cronies.

      Sure, we have weaknesses, but to say we couldn’t defend ourselves is just propaganda.

    43. Wither-Wander-Wonder on

      This man cannot speak without gagging on a stunted virtual orange c#ck that beams itself into his mouth every time he opens it. He may have become so accustomed to the fit, feel, and taste that he doesn’t know how to act otherwise. Strange.

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