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50 Kommentare
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Listen, I’m sure Mr. Huntington has a lot of fancy degrees and is a smart guy but this is just silly

Revoke his degree or something cause wtf is this?
SE Asia is part of Indic civilization atleast continental SE Asia
Confuseian
I like that Greece is considered western even tho they’re orthodox too
This looks fucking stupid.
Japanese getting their own category is still silly
sure, they are a unique culture – but so is nearly everyone else. Why no south korean category. Also, I’m pretty sure places like e.g. the philipines have little to nothing to do with „Confucianism“
and while indonesia is largly muslim, I wouldn’t really put them into „the muslim world“.
and no clue why tf papua new guinea is in the „western world“. Guess they aren’t muslim, so he couldn’t put them there, so he just choose the next nearest category
How does Pakistan have any similarities to Morocco but not India?
What does Argentina and El Salvador have in common?
This dude might as well be comparing nose shape and cranial size.
I kind of see what he was going for but this seems extremely oversimplified and unnuanced.
Just had to sneak in Papua New Guinea as a Western country
And why tf are Singapore and Saudi Arabia is the same region
Romania has more in common with Greece and Italy than it does with Russia and Ukraine.
Ah yes, I used to be Orthodox but I converted to Latin American in my 20s.
Did Huntington know that Spain and Portugal bring catholicism to Latin America?
He argued wars will happen between those regions but what happened was wars within those regions. Russia Ukraine, America nato, China Taiwan, Iran Saudi Arabia etc
Do they let anyone be a professor at Harvard. Kids in 5th standard know more than this. Tf is Hindu civilization, Muslim civilization.
I genuinely hate this geopolitical framework. It’s empirically weak, it’s oversimplified, it fails miserably as a predictive model. It fosters division and racism, it’s so bad.
Russia should clearly be part of the Western civilization. What even is meaning of orthodox civilization. laos, Myanmar, Cambodia and Thailand under Confucianism is laughable too.
Yeah, no Muslims in russia… no sir!
Papua New Guinea is western lol
Civilization: Japan 🤩🥰🤗
This „theory“ has been debunked many times
Weeb
This map isn’t quite right, it leaves out the fact that Ethiopia and Turkiye were supposedly ‘outliers’x as well as the existence of the disjointed Buddhist civilization
And this crap was treated like a revelation for 20 years. Bro actually thinks the world is the lord of the rings
Latam not in Western civilization but NZ and Australia are in? Is this based on culture/religion or skin color? x.x
I’ve read this book and it was a fun read but let’s get honest, this is just something someone who played too much Civ IV cooked up
Latin America
✅ Overwhelmingly Speaks western languages
✅ Colonized by western powers
✅ Settled by Western people
✅ Established Western styled governments after independence
✅ Overwhelmingly worships western religions
✅ Closest financial and political relationships are with other Western nations
❌ Obviously they aren’t western, what are you talking about
American Political Scientist famous for his Military-Civil relationship (Soldier and the State book) and infamous for his Clash of Civilization book… In fact it wasn’t even infamous but actively laughed at in Political Science academia (especially in Europe)…
Unfortunately it became a smash hit with american lay public.. and even politicians, especially after 9/11.
The actual book is massive mess, it ignores everything that doesn’t go its way. His analysis of Yugoslav civil wars is horrendous… And his main claim „That biggest conflict zones will be ‚between‘ civilizations‘ is today laughable. Biggest conflicts in the world are within his ‚civilizations‘ not between them.
Bdw, International Encyclopedia of Political Science doesn’t even recognise the term ‚civilizations‘. It’s specifically a term used by historians and historians or art. Not Political science. It is way too simplistic and reductionary to be used in actual IR theories. For example Croatia and Serbia are extremely linked, they were a part of the same polity, and have the same language. Culturally, politically and economically Belgrade and Zagreb influence eachother massively yet are seen as seperate civilizations, yet Morocco and Indonesia or Mongolia and Cambodia are seen as a part of one civ because???? Why? Islam and ‚Confucianism‘??? Oh yea i absolutely feel the same values and similar cultures between tropical Sumatra and bloody Casablanca…
I’d include Latin America in Western, insofar as it’s a product of Western culture
Latin America is western
I think we should stop calling Europe and the US „the west“ if there’s other countries that are also generally „west“ and do not qualify. Maybe something like Northwestern Eurocentric people would be more precise
I consider Latin America to also be the West. European Russia is also part of the West, or at least a grey area.
Why is Indonesia considered to have more in common with Egypt than with Southeast Asia? Is Huntington aware that Mongolia is not Confucian (leans more Western/Russian), but Japan actually does lean Confucian? And why is Latin America considered a separate civilization from Spain/Portugal?
The fact that everyone in this thread is ripping this shit apart is almost reviving my faith in humanity
the japanese get their own group lol
Amongst the many other very silly things in this map, I just can’t figure why the mapmaker (probably not Huntington himself in this case) chose to represent Western Europe (with a bit less than half of its population Protestant) with the Latin Cross, but Latin America (huge majority Catholic) with the Protestant Cross.
Apparently Albania ain’t Muslim.
Confucian Philippines makes me laugh, not to mention the very Buddhist Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Myanmar lol
And by „Western“ Sammy means white
Singling out Japan but looping in the Philippines with China and Mongolia, peak western derangenent.
Philippines Confucian? Philippines is like Latin Asian.
Of course an American made this silly map.
Putting mainland SEA under a „Confucian“ civilization makes little sense when majority of the countries have been influenced by and are a peripheral part of Indosphere.
Also, I love how conveniently he put the entirety of maritime SEA under a „muslim civiilzation“. Indonesia, Malaysia were part of Indosphere before conversion to Islam. And what the fuck even is Philippines doing there?
It doesn’t get more Yankee than this
Lmao you saying the civilization that spent thousands of years studying Chinese text and literature is not Confucian and somehow Thailand/Cambodia/Laos/Philippines are sinophere like cmon
r/ShitAmericansSay
From what I know South-East Asia mostly belongs to Indosphere.
And, why is Bali(a Hindu Island) part of a Muslim civilization
Explain, please, how Roman Catholicism has been replaced by Confucianism in the Philippines.
Sri Lanka is most definitely not hindu majority