Eltern beschweren sich, nachdem Schulleiter 19 Schüler aus Co Antrim wegen Bedenken hinsichtlich „toxischer Männlichkeit“ suspendiert hat
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/parents-complain-after-principal-suspends-19-co-antrim-schoolboys-over-toxic-masculinity-concerns/a2008863764.html
Von PoppedCork
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I’m genuinely concerned to have children because of the possibility it rewires my brain and turns me into an irrational idiot
Haven’t read the article yet, positive whatever the „toxic masculinity“ concerns were are going to be something fucking heinous and the site is clickbaiting out the hole
Read the article, yeah it is
My kid falls into this age group. The stuff they tell me that some of the lads say to female teachers and class members is shocking. It’s obviously not all but it’s too many. I know lads said shit when I was younger but not this graphic and not this brazen.
>The boys are alleged to have **behaved with “disruptive and disrespectful behaviour directed towards staff”.**
>It is said this behaviour has caused a number of **substitute and female teachers to refuse to teach classes as they have been upset to the point of having to go home from work.**
Doesn’t even make an attempt to deny whatever caused the suspension, just says that bullying and violence exist so their child should not be suspended. Parents in denial…
All over 1 days suspension that won’t be recorded anywhere!! Where do they park all those parents helicopters?!
I wasn’t close to being the worst in my class and I have been suspended for al least a couple of days over my entire time in secondary school (fighting and vandalism). And that’s what being a child is all about making mistakes in a safe environment and having consequences for those actions. And in some case, being unfairly punished because of the actions of some of my friends, I learned valuable lessons.
Not my Johnny , he’s a good boy
Fair enough. The parents have to wake up to how kids can change in a group and be open to helping prevent bad behaviour instead of getting all defensive about their “little angels”.
This part is hilarious
„“I am disgusted to hear her terminology such as “masculine toxicity” with my son’s name beside it. Anyone who knows my son knows he is the most lovable, kind-natured, humble young person, with the utmost respect to all. Some of these boys have never even had a detention.”
You don’t know your kids are little cunts in school. Toxic masculinity isn’t just SA and femicide (oh look a buzz word), it’s the belief you are superior to women and verbalising whatever misogynistic shite you heard on Joe Rogan or once message boards.
Sad truth is we need cameras in classrooms these days, for the sake of the teachers.
In theory being a teacher would be a really fulfilling job, but with the reality of the environment in the schools, I personally wouldn’t go near it.
Being temporarily removed from the rest of their peers is a good taste of similar consequences as adults – no one in their real life will want to be around them if they continue down this path and most certainly no potential partner will stick around either.
Parents complaining instead of disciplining or getting therapy for their kids is pretty much all of the problem.
I don’t think parents are wholly responsible for the actions of their kids, but when the parents act like this I’m much more open to the idea.
Be mad at the children and discipline them. As someone who had plenty of trouble in school and seen plenty of others, the teachers definitely won’t go to these lengths for no reason and if you think your son is too innocent for this to be the case then you’re just an idiot. My son was involved in an incident with several others calling a little girl names, I made him go up to the little girl and the mother and apologize with all his friends watching and told him if it happens again his tv is getting sold. It’s the last time I ever had trouble in ten years
>It is said this behaviour has caused a number of substitute and female teachers to refuse to teach classes as they have been upset to the point of having to go home from work.
And instead of accepting this *one day* suspension over this and maybe having a chat with their sons about the behaviour, they’ll go to the media and make teachers lives a living hell because their little angles could never do such a thing.
Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…
I really hope the principal stands her ground and continues to double down. This shit’s getting out of hand and needs to be nipped in the bud.
Sounds like the issue begins at home with these parents who refuse to allow their children to be disciplined.
The fact that permanent female teachers weren’t as affected but female substitutes were is perfectly in line with messed up and potentially misogynistic behaviours from students. Obviously they will prefer to target those who they will not see again often if ever
A one day suspension! FFS, the parents are mad.
Kids go to school to learn. Not to prove you’re an amazing parent. I’m glad she used the correct term. Toxic masculinity is a real problem.
There’s a cohort of lads, mostly younger, sizable and growing, who see the words „toxic masculinity“ or the generalised complaints from women about „men“ and it triggers them into defence and offence mode. They’re consuming anti feminist stuff from older men they look up to and don’t see as losers somehow and have been soothed in a community that tells them they’re victims.
For any lad who feels an urge to challenge me on this, know this; I’m a grown as man in his early 40s, wife, kids, gaff, the whole shebang. When I see a comment that says something like there’s a rape culture amongst men, I’d say yeah. I’m not a rapist, but when men are responsible for 90-99% of any stat around rape depending on the specific study, well, yeah, it’s kinda our fucking failure. When women say men, it’s fucking redundant saying „not all men“. They are saying every guy is a rapist, but we are all part of a collective that’s responsible. I also know, I did a lot of self reflection in my early 20s and became a man with the self confidence to call out unacceptable behaviour from other lads.
I can’t be clearer, if you feel threatened or attacked by a discussion of toxic masculinity and compelled to bring up toxic femininity or some defence, it’s because you feel it describes you in some way and rather than challenge whether you’d be comfortable with a lad treating your mum or sister that way, you’re riled up and unable to hear what they’re saying. Any real man who wants to make this a better world knows that they’re not one of those men, but recognise that shit and know they’ve got a responsibility to call out lads for that behaviour.
Absence of consequences fuels this behaviour. I hope the school stands firm.
Suspend them for long we’re too tolerant as a society of this shite.
I think it’s good. Hating females and acting superior to them shouldn’t be accepted and it is rife among teenage boys. How many women are principals in all boys‘ schools? It’s not the school’s fault but a man is respected if they’re affable, warm, sound types. If you’re female you have to change your personality into some kind of Disney villain to get the equivalent ‚respect‘ and equivalent leadership roles. Most teachers won’t do that (since it only perpetuates and teaches nothing) and just have to accept the misogyny as a daily feature. Most kids aren’t arseholes, but there are enough to make it a daily feature you wouldn’t have to deal with in most jobs for good reason. It doesn’t do them any favours not to hold them accountable. We have to hope many will grow out of it and not become lifelong dickheads.
Well f++k them parents imo.
We’ve seen this in all generations kids behave in a concerning way and parents don’t want to see or hear about it they say the greater good is to ignore it and that’s BS. We had that poor girl Ana Kriegel murder and just recently a story broke of a group of young lads sexually assaulting a girl by ganging up on her.
The awful crap online needs to be countered with progressive teachings and punishments in school if those boys are to have their suspension removed then they need to adhere to counseling and root out their behavior.
Seems like an over reaction but we need to understand and stamp this stuff out not ignore and hope it goes away
Suspension shoulda been much longer. Schools should be teaching kids how to mature into adults as much as anything else, and if they’re misogynistic and abusive shitheads then they’re not ready to advance. Fuck these parents.
The principal should inform them what their little angels actually said to these women
Teachers need to start recording their lessons for their own safety. Start the class by informing them and carrying on.
There’s shocking stuff being said in schools these days, it’s a suspension not an expulsion they need to grow up
I know a lad who got kicked out of school because he was such a bastard in female teachers classes over a few years. Went to another all boys school, repeated and now he himself is a secondary school teacher
Well boys this age need a father figure they can look up to and imitate. Today this is in short supply so they find the idols on internet be it rapers or some movie gangsters or similar – not a real characters, not realistic behaviour.
I’m a teacher. people love to say that every generation thinks the next one is the worst. But in this case, this generation of kids is genuinely the worst.
The current 13–16 year olds are the first cohort of iPad babies all grown up. Raised on constant screen stimulation, with no discipline. all while this generation of new parents are equally the first generation absorbed in screens, albeit started at an older age, leading to whatever weird impact on brain development that it does.
What we’re seeing in schools now are highly stimulated, low attention span kids who have never been disciplined properly. That’s *already* a combination from hell. But on top of that, there’s a growing tendency and a complete lax in self labelling any difficulty as „adhd“, which leads to the kids (and their fucking parents) saying „it’s not me, it’s me adhd.“
So in short it’s 3 things that have hit this generation of kids all at the same time: ipads as babies, zero discipline, and affirmation of their self labelling instead of being told to just cop the fuck on.
That is not a good combination.
Rural schools dont have *as* much kids like this. And I think it’s mostly because the parents have a bit more of the classic Irish mammy „would you cop the fuck on“ mentality with proper discipline. I’ve had a much better experience teaching in rural areas.
>“I am disgusted to hear her terminology such as “masculine toxicity” with my son’s name beside it.“
But apparently not disgusted at their son’s behaviour.
I’d side with the school on this one, tbh The parents are throwing a fit and not actually making any effort in addressing the issue, which is probably how they have these traits to begin with. Its extremely unfair to expect a teacher to do her job while being subjected to misogynistic behaviour. The parents sound like a bunch of boomers on FB pissing themselves over the „woke agenda“.