Towards Greece, British policy as stated in an internal document was „our long-term policy towards Greece is to retain her in the British sphere of influence, and… „a Russian-dominated Greece would be unacceptable for British strategy in the Eastern Mediterranean“.[20] Knowing that the main resistance force in Greece was the Communist-dominated EAM (Ethnikó Apeleftherotikó Metopes-National Liberation Front), British policy was to support EAM as a way to tie down German forces that might otherwise fight against the British, but at the same time to prevent EAM from coming to power and ensure that the Greek government-in-exile based in Cairo returned to Greece.[21]
Given the importance which Churchill attached to Greece, he very much wanted an agreement with Stalin under which Moscow would accept Greece as being within the British sphere of influence.
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After discussing Poland, Churchill told Stalin Romania was „very much a Russian affair“ and the Soviet-Romanian armistice was „reasonable and showed much statecraft in the interests of general peace in the future.“ Churchill then stated that „We must be the leading Mediterranean power“, which required having Greece in the British sphere of influence.[72]
From the British viewpoint, having Greece in the British sphere of influence ended any possibility that EAM might come to power and then give the Soviet Union bases in Greece, whose location made that nation key to controlling the Mediterranean, which for Churchill was far more important than the Balkans.[75]
In a 1956 interview with CL Sulzberger, Churchill said:
„Stalin never broke his word to me. We agreed on the Balkans. I said he could have Romania and Bulgaria and he said we could have Greece… When we went in in 1944 Stalin didn’t interfere“.[86]
All the countries mentioned in the percentages agreement fell under Communist control with the exception of Greece, where the Communists lost the Greek Civil War.[87]
GrandPhilosophy7319 on
Churchill made several of such Agreements even though he legit had no enforcing power on any of them
lousy-site-3456 on
Net result: Brutal dictatorship in Greece. Might as well have given it to Stalin.
kakje666 on
neither side respected this
shieldwolfchz on
I am really tired and I thought that it was a map of Brazil at first and was really confused.
blsterken on
Didn’t Churchill call this his „naughty document“ and try to hide this arrangement from the US?
offsoghu on
How do you even agree on influence as percentages?
albalthi on
What would “x% influence” even mean for these countries in reality on the ground if this had tried to have been implemented
utter_master on
No one wanted Albania!
Vivitude on
I’ve learned about this for years, I was even taught about this in an IR class in college, and to this day nobody has actually explained to me wtf the “percentages” actually mean.
serbiangandalf on
Greece was always the most idolised balkan state by the west, especially the british due to antic greek heritage. It was the first balkan state liberated from the ottomans, the most defended by the british against nazism and facism and most was done to keep it away from Stalin and the communist. It was most evident when Lord Byron died trying to liberate Greece from the ottomans.
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Here before it gets taken down by the tankie mods
Sky_Robin on
A betrayal superior to Múnich
no1labubufan on
Still valid today! The percentage also represents how I hate those empires.
ZuluGulaCwel on
Were there analogical plans for Poland or Czechoslovakia?
oliverjohansson on
It addd up, people run away from Sovietk block to Yugoslavia snd then to the west
Matman161 on
It’s really wild looking at an entire nation of people and being like „yeah we’re gonna just call the shots for you“
Rzv243 on
Years later us Romanians are still in deep shit. Years of russian mir meant low education, stupid and easy to control population. Even if we exclude communist heritage, now we feel it more then ever.
arkencode on
This explains so much.
eferalgan on
Churchill was a piece of shit!
eferalgan on
I wonder why in case of Romania is 100% while in case of Hungary and Bulgaria is 80%? Stalin really wanted Romania?
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In practice:
Soviet 100%: Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria
Western 100%: Greece and Yugoslavia
Towards Greece, British policy as stated in an internal document was „our long-term policy towards Greece is to retain her in the British sphere of influence, and… „a Russian-dominated Greece would be unacceptable for British strategy in the Eastern Mediterranean“.[20] Knowing that the main resistance force in Greece was the Communist-dominated EAM (Ethnikó Apeleftherotikó Metopes-National Liberation Front), British policy was to support EAM as a way to tie down German forces that might otherwise fight against the British, but at the same time to prevent EAM from coming to power and ensure that the Greek government-in-exile based in Cairo returned to Greece.[21]
Given the importance which Churchill attached to Greece, he very much wanted an agreement with Stalin under which Moscow would accept Greece as being within the British sphere of influence.
…
After discussing Poland, Churchill told Stalin Romania was „very much a Russian affair“ and the Soviet-Romanian armistice was „reasonable and showed much statecraft in the interests of general peace in the future.“ Churchill then stated that „We must be the leading Mediterranean power“, which required having Greece in the British sphere of influence.[72]
From the British viewpoint, having Greece in the British sphere of influence ended any possibility that EAM might come to power and then give the Soviet Union bases in Greece, whose location made that nation key to controlling the Mediterranean, which for Churchill was far more important than the Balkans.[75]
In a 1956 interview with CL Sulzberger, Churchill said:
„Stalin never broke his word to me. We agreed on the Balkans. I said he could have Romania and Bulgaria and he said we could have Greece… When we went in in 1944 Stalin didn’t interfere“.[86]
All the countries mentioned in the percentages agreement fell under Communist control with the exception of Greece, where the Communists lost the Greek Civil War.[87]
Churchill made several of such Agreements even though he legit had no enforcing power on any of them
Net result: Brutal dictatorship in Greece. Might as well have given it to Stalin.
neither side respected this
I am really tired and I thought that it was a map of Brazil at first and was really confused.
Didn’t Churchill call this his „naughty document“ and try to hide this arrangement from the US?
How do you even agree on influence as percentages?
What would “x% influence” even mean for these countries in reality on the ground if this had tried to have been implemented
No one wanted Albania!
I’ve learned about this for years, I was even taught about this in an IR class in college, and to this day nobody has actually explained to me wtf the “percentages” actually mean.
Greece was always the most idolised balkan state by the west, especially the british due to antic greek heritage. It was the first balkan state liberated from the ottomans, the most defended by the british against nazism and facism and most was done to keep it away from Stalin and the communist. It was most evident when Lord Byron died trying to liberate Greece from the ottomans.
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Here before it gets taken down by the tankie mods
A betrayal superior to Múnich
Still valid today! The percentage also represents how I hate those empires.
Were there analogical plans for Poland or Czechoslovakia?
It addd up, people run away from Sovietk block to Yugoslavia snd then to the west
It’s really wild looking at an entire nation of people and being like „yeah we’re gonna just call the shots for you“
Years later us Romanians are still in deep shit. Years of russian mir meant low education, stupid and easy to control population. Even if we exclude communist heritage, now we feel it more then ever.
This explains so much.
Churchill was a piece of shit!
I wonder why in case of Romania is 100% while in case of Hungary and Bulgaria is 80%? Stalin really wanted Romania?